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Unread 06-10-2023   #37
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Re: AI Generated 'Art'

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The above discussion evolved into making a comic with AI art. I've only seen one attempt at this, which was not good. But I think with some hard work, I could help make something beautiful. However some people are very upset by AI, for reasons that don't make sense to me. Here is a part of that thread:

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No, it doesn't change my mind, sorry. AI generation can and will be a tool for artists to use supplementing their artistic process. But selling purely AI generated art with minimal or no modification? I don't believe that's an appropriate use of the tool in the society we have.

The point of automation is to reduce the amount of bullshit people have to do so they can focus on important things. Automating away the important things sucks.

Also, anyone generating AI art has just as much right to that art as I do or anyone else does. So why are they selling me things I should already own? It is always ethical to pirate AI art.

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You weren't imagining that the AI could output a whole comic on its own, were you? They can't even figure out how the alphabet works!

I was figuring that each panel would need to be assembled from multiple renderings, require extensive touch up, and need to be re-rendered many times to get the right pose and activity. Few AI artists seem to know how to get an AI to consistently create the same people in different poses, but wearing the same clothes. Compositions need to be manually extended and modified to include space for word balloons. Before any of that, we'd need page layouts so we know what to ask the AI for. That could not be automated at all. And of course a concise and efficiently told story that fits in the available number of pages - That's the opposite of what AI stories are like. I haven't seen any sign that anyone has tried to teach an AI about panel transitions or visual storytelling. All of that has to come from the artists & writers.

AI might be able to improve art quality within individual panels, but comics include a lot of hard work beyond that.
I've been enjoying all the new pics on DeviantArt. The idea that it is somehow "Stolen" or "Not art" doesn't make sense to me. If it is "stolen", where are the originals that looks the same? If it is "not art" then why do I enjoy it?
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Unread 06-10-2023   #38
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Re: AI Generated 'Art'

Good call to move the discussion.

First I would like to share where I stand on AI image generation as of now:

> I think the technology is interesting and promising;

> Outside of the technological achievement, I’m yet to be impressed by most images generated;

> I think the way datasets are currently generated is problematic;

> I think the technology raises some interesting questions around copyright.

I tend to agree with Prof_Sai that generating images that are consistent does require some skill and knowledge. Yet I can’t say that there are many AI generated images I would pay for. This has more to do with not finding the works distinct enough, then thinking it takes no skill to produce.

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Is your unwillingness to pay for AI generated works related to a lac in value, or is it related to ethical concerns?

For example, if someone managed to generate truly amazing original looking art; using a dataset only containing works in the public domain. Would you think this has value?

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Mean people are trying to take the pretty things from me!
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And here is someone who knows what they are doing:


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Re: AI Generated 'Art'

Sheesh.
Is it art now?

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It's still kinda uncanny valley tbh.
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All the best AI pics aren't SW though. We have to take what we can get. Also, I do prefer the less realistic ones.



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It's still kinda uncanny valley tbh.
Definitely and then to consider that these were to 'good' outputs. I've seen some nightmare fuel being shared of prompts gone horribly wrong.
Despite there still being some strange looking elements in images generated, there has been a lot of progress just this year.
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Nightmare fuel is an issue, but bad art is hardly something that wasn't a problem before AI.
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2-3ft is a very uncomfortable height and I don't enjoy content there at all.
Arcane doesn't like me.

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What if I trawl art without the consent of working artists?
If you skimmed art of artists without consent then started claiming that amended art as yours, there's usually trouble. That's the current gripe with "ai" art. It's permuted art scraped from other works.
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It's permuted art scraped from other works.
But... that basically describes my art.
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