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Unread 04-20-2012   #25
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

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I tried sending them a script for a werewolf TF, but they didn't seem to be very interested in what I was selling. Don't get me wrong. Their clips are usually pretty damn good, they go through a lot of loving care to make them, and while they ultimately decided not to use my request they stayed with me through every step, heard every word I had to say, and were incredibly polite and friendly in all of their replies. I still find it amazing that they provided such a great service as to even hear out my request- something that really isn't offered anywhere else. I admire the hell out of these guys, I'm just not sure that they have the resources or the knowledge to give us what we're looking for.

The feeling I get from them is that they simply aren't ready for a commitment like that, and I also worry that they don't understand exactly what we (some of us, since everyone's tastes don't match up) want from a werewolf transformation. Making a decent werewolf transformation would be ridiculously hard work, require good writing, a good actress... I imagine the monetary investment is steeper than we're all giving them credit for. And if they can't make money off of it, it's just a lot of wasted time for them, so I definitely understand why it hasn't been done yet.

From this point of view, I can see why so many people bought the description of the TF. Showing them they can turn a profit with a werewolf TF is one of the best ways to get one, I'm certain. I'd like to help these guys out as much as I can, and I'd definitely like to see their wonderful actress perform a werewolf TF, but if it never happens I would like to go on the record as saying that I don't blame them. We just might not be a big enough audience to make it worthwhile.
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Unread 04-20-2012   #26
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

Audience size here isn't really the issue. Stop for a minute and think about the kind of transformations we've seen for Werewolves. Most of the best ones came about almost 30 years ago! American Werewolf in London and The Howling series of course are probably the two big ones everybody remembers. Now you look at the stuff we get coming out now. CGI with some morphing (remember Darkwolf?) or sometimes just piss poor acting with piss poor rubber suits (Rage of the Werewolf springs to mind).

Think also about the time and effort it takes to do these types of transformations and do them in the way I believe most people want to see them done in: Rick Baker style American Werewolf in London prosthetics with pulsating backs, spine pops, hair growth, claws, teeth, ears, the whole nine yards. Now think about who Rick Baker had helping to make it all happen. Hell it took like 4 guys just to get the fake arm and hand cast, let alone wired up with effects to make it stretch and grow claws. Now think about what Taylor and Bud do. They're low budget and they have four or five people at the most helping them and in many cases it's just Taylor, Bud and their editor.

Now take all that and try to find any special effects artist as good as can be thought of, somebody most likely nowhere near Rick Baker's status, and ask them to come do effects for a three person crew that does porn fetish movies. I really doubt anybody that would want their work to be shown to a group of people wants their name attached to a porn shoot that just happens to have a hot actress turning into a Werewolf, good or not.

To get something like this off the ground, you'd have to start by gathering a following large enough to pool enough resources to get 90% of the clip made right off the bat. What I mean is, you'd have to have people build all the props you want, make them look great and work correctly out of the box, or be able to pay somebody a LOT of cash to overlook the fact that they'd be doing something in the porn industry. There's a lot of things going on in the background here besides them just "not wanting to do it right". Believe me, I want to see them do transformation videos as much as any of the rest of this forum, and I've sent them ideas, scripts, storyboards and stuff to assist them in making a vision of stuff like a Werewolf Transformation come true. They DO want to do it, they can't wait to get the pieces to fall into place, but there's an assload of pieces and getting them to come together, even if they had access to the best special effects people in Hollywood, is a daunting task. Hell even well supported projects like Freeborn seemed to die off just as fast as they showed up.

Anyway, sorry for the wall of text, but please realize that things like Transformation clips are rare and the good ones rarer still. If this is to come about, I don't think Taylor and Bud could settle for less than the best they could do, but that "best" would have to be damn good to please us slavering people on The Process, and until that time, we'll just have to be patient and wait for the lightning to strike. Keep the faith friends. <3!

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Unread 04-20-2012   #27
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

Please use this thread to tell us what you want to see and what you want to hear.

You have to help us learn what it is you want.

We thrive when getting as many suggestions and influences to draw from as possible.

Give us specifics.

If you prefer email here's Taylor's MtPresents@gmail.com
and here's mine Budswope@Wamdom.com
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Unread 04-21-2012   #28
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

Well, if you guys were to be willing to do a werewolf TF, I wouldn't mind being able to take another crack at sending you a script or at least some guidelines. However, this would probably be a waste of everyone's time if a significant portion of the forums don't want to see my version of a werewolf TF, so if I could get a read on how the rest of the folks here would feel about that, it would be very welcome.

In case that doesn't pan out, I'll at least make a short list of what I specifically would like to see and put it up when I have a few more spare moments, so that I can at least be of some use to you. Thank you as always for taking the time to hear us out.
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Unread 04-21-2012   #29
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

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Well, if you guys were to be willing to do a werewolf TF, I wouldn't mind being able to take another crack at sending you a script or at least some guidelines. However, this would probably be a waste of everyone's time if a significant portion of the forums don't want to see my version of a werewolf TF, so if I could get a read on how the rest of the folks here would feel about that, it would be very welcome.

In case that doesn't pan out, I'll at least make a short list of what I specifically would like to see and put it up when I have a few more spare moments, so that I can at least be of some use to you. Thank you as always for taking the time to hear us out.
How could anyone not want to see your version?
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

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How could anyone not want to see your version?
I was thinking the same thing. : /

And thanks for the reply Bud, it's good to know that we're being paid attention to. I myself am a frequent buyer, so don't let a few negative comments put you off. I know you and Taylor don't have massive budgets, but there a few 'cheap' videos on youtube that deliver a lot without breaking the bank. As soon as I get a chance I can post a couple of link to some examples here (unless somebody beats me to it) that you can browse at your leisure.
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Unread 04-21-2012   #31
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

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Well, if you guys were to be willing to do a werewolf TF, I wouldn't mind being able to take another crack at sending you a script or at least some guidelines. However, this would probably be a waste of everyone's time if a significant portion of the forums don't want to see my version of a werewolf TF, so if I could get a read on how the rest of the folks here would feel about that, it would be very welcome.

In case that doesn't pan out, I'll at least make a short list of what I specifically would like to see and put it up when I have a few more spare moments, so that I can at least be of some use to you. Thank you as always for taking the time to hear us out.
You originally talked with Taylor and I'm looking through the correspondence but can't seem to find the original script/story you sent her. I wanted to take a quick look at it myself so could you send it to budswope@wamdom.com if you get the chance?

EDIT: Never mind I found it! You sent it to me originally and I passed it on to Taylor. I remember now. Let me take another look at it but any "guidelines" or "lists" you care to post would be cool because they are always a great help to us.
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You originally talked with Taylor and I'm looking through the correspondence but can't seem to find the original script/story you sent her. I wanted to take a quick look at it myself so could you send it to budswope@wamdom.com if you get the chance?

EDIT: Never mind I found it! You sent it to me originally and I passed it on to Taylor. I remember now. Let me take another look at it but any "guidelines" or "lists" you care to post would be cool because they are always a great help to us.
Thank you very much. I would like to note that the story I sent to you guys was part of a larger piece of narrative, and that I would have absolutely no problem whipping up something a bit more simple and tailored for the purpose of a TF video if you think it would be in any way helpful. As for the guidelines, I'll get those posted to you as soon as I can.
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Unread 04-22-2012   #34
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

I know with my words that in some way I'm going to ruin someone's happiness about this topic. But we must face this in a realistic way. Even though something will be made, the results will not satisfy everyone. Or even so many people.

But, in some way I want to be confident about what you could make just with some creativity, some good ideas, a bit of patience and so on.

If you let me give you some advice, I could give you some small hints about this:

1.-Use a performer who feels comfortable with the topic, even when this ended up in having a less pretty but more profesional actress. Her performance will be 2/3 of the scene, I assure you.
2.-Make a good use of change of planes. Just use general planes when you were sure that the small defects will not ruin the scene.
3.-If something is too way expensive, find another thing to show, but avoid the temptation of showing something that looked excessively fake. There are expensive FX and cheaper ones, and not always the latter are the worst ones.
4.-You don't usually do, but if you use CGI, keep them to the minimum... by the way, maybe they can be your only not-so-expensive solution for general planes.
5.-Don't hesitate to copy other people's ideas. There are plenty of low budget movies out there with some interesting concepts. I may address you to two of my favourites: The Hunted from Mako (
) and The Dark from Nyle Cavazos (http://vimeo.com/4529608http://).

Well, I have more to say, but maybe if this idea goes a bit further, then I will be glad to say a bit more about this.
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

i really have nothing more to add, but i want to echo everyones opinion on Cursebearers idea, and pretty much everything that Anahki stated.
I personally would love any scene that Cursebearer makes.
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Unread 04-22-2012   #36
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

Largely echoing the above...

1) My suggestion is to pick a story (I'd suggest one from Cursebearer or Northwind, but there are many authors out there who write a good transformation situation and scene) and read the transformation sequence. Figure out what you can do and what you can't do, and don't try to do what you can't. Work around those constraints.

2) I want to double up Anahki's #1; the actress is key. If you get a "7", looks wise, who is really into the scene and gives a strong performance, it's better than a "10" who isn't and doesn't.

3) Building off that, and assuming there isn't a workaround for the majority of the transformation effects that we'd all dream of seeing, I would suggest a significant focus on the build up. A strong actress dealing with the dread (or whatever emotion your scriptwriter goes with) of the oncoming transformation, plus the initial "pains" of the transformation do not really have to involve any (or at least any significant) special effects.

4) One more time; if you can't do something without it looking ridiculous, don't do it. Focus on what you can do well and go with it.
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