Real Life TG Using HRT

[tghawk555]

Originally Posted by wampama

Well, does it still register as an update?

No, it doesn't. However, double-posting irks some people, and it is usually frowned upon. If you want people to see that there was an update to your post, try putting "EDIT" in your post. It catches peoples' eyes, and is better than double-posting.

[wampama]

Originally Posted by tghawk555

No, it doesn't. However, double-posting irks some people, and it is usually frowned upon. If you want people to see that there was an update to your post, try putting "EDIT" in your post. It catches peoples' eyes, and is better than double-posting.

Alright. I did have a feeling that I was going to piss people off, and that's the last thing I want to do!

[wampama]

Originally Posted by aglamau

i don't think you found a lot of people who showed thir transsistion. A majority of transexual people didin't like their past. They show their transistion but after the last op?ration they erase this for strat a new life.(excuse my english i'm french^^')

Well, (If this doesn't sound too creepy...) I'll change my request from before and after pics, to after pics! (If that's not being too weird or asking too much!) Like I said before, I'm considering possibly maybe thinking about pondering starting HRT.

[tghawk555]

^Also, you can use multiple quotes in one message, also helping to avoid double-posting. ^_^

[wampama]

Originally Posted by tghawk555

^Also, you can use multiple quotes in one message, also helping to avoid double-posting. ^_^

How can I use multiple?

[tjlemke]

Originally Posted by wampama

How can I use multiple?

The multi quote tab by the quote tab.

[wampama]

Originally Posted by tjlemke

The multi quote tab by the quote tab.

Originally Posted by wampama

How can I use multiple?

Originally Posted by tghawk555

^Also, you can use multiple quotes in one message, also helping to avoid double-posting. ^_^

OHHHHHHHHHH! Thanks. I would have never seen that button....even though it was right in front of me! Hopefully, from now on I won't annoy anyone with my inexperience!

[frice2000]

Most government and private medical insurance don't even provide treatment funding for transgendered

Ok I'm probably going to get yelled at for this...but no the transgendered shouldn't get help for the bills relating to medical surgery. I'm of the opinion that medical insurance and any government insurance is for only life threatening and painful conditions, and while I'm sympathetic to those who are transgendered I don't think I should either have to pay taxes or have my health insurance premiums rise to pay for what is really elective surgery. Sure you can call it a birth defect all you want and I can't imagine the horror of waking in the wrong body everyday but these are people that can live normal lives but just not in the gender they desire.

When people are denied aids medications and other essential life saving tests and medications from their insurance companies and governments you want them to pay for sex change surgeries? Sorry, no I don't think that's remotely feasible or moral in the scheme of things for society. Psychological counseling for the transgendered I will for sure agree with and proper education to reduce bias yes of course but others being forced into paying for surgery? No.

[wampama]

Originally Posted by frice2000

Ok I'm probably going to get yelled at for this...but no the transgendered shouldn't get help for the bills relating to medical surgery. I'm of the opinion that medical insurance and any government insurance is for only life threatening and painful conditions, and while I'm sympathetic to those who are transgendered I don't think I should either have to pay taxes or have my health insurance premiums rise to pay for what is really elective surgery. Sure you can call it a birth defect all you want and I can't imagine the horror of waking in the wrong body everyday but these are people that can live normal lives but just not in the gender they desire.

When people are denied aids medications and other essential life saving tests and medications from their insurance companies and governments you want them to pay for sex change surgeries? Sorry, no I don't think that's remotely feasible or moral in the scheme of things for society. Psychological counseling for the transgendered I will for sure agree with and proper education to reduce bias yes of course but others being forced into paying for surgery? No.

Way to kill the hopes and dreams of every TG and possible TG out there. (No, I'm not yelling at you, I kind of agree with you, but a guy/gal can dream, can't they?)

[busy]

Originally Posted by frice2000

Ok I'm probably going to get yelled at for this...but no the transgendered shouldn't get help for the bills relating to medical surgery. I'm of the opinion that medical insurance and any government insurance is for only life threatening and painful conditions, and while I'm sympathetic to those who are transgendered I don't think I should either have to pay taxes or have my health insurance premiums rise to pay for what is really elective surgery.

Wow what a statement! You must an American.

By that logic if a child is born with a painless but ugly facial deformity (like a cleft lip and palate) that is not live threatening, surgery should not be covered by public/private insurance?

What about people with chemical imbalances in their brains, such as Schizophrenia, would you deny Dopamine treatment?

What about inter-sexed children, should their surgery be covered? What about children/adults with male/female hormonal deficiencies, which is not a painful or life threatening condition? (If an 11 year old girl fully recovers from ovarian cancer, would you deny her hormone treatment in the following years needed for puberty?)

Trans/inter-sexuality needs to be treated as a physical deformity that requires treatment (even though it is limited) as early as possible, and fully covered. Is it better and cheaper to society than letting them grow up and get all screwed by the psychological abuse that f**ks them up for the rest of their lives.

[mercury01]

Originally Posted by frice2000

I'm of the opinion that medical insurance and any government insurance is for only life threatening and painful conditions,

I see. So living with a condition that means you are more likely to attempt suicide is not 'life threatening' or 'painful' enough?

Originally Posted by frice2000

Sure you can call it a birth defect all you want and I can't imagine the horror of waking in the wrong body everyday but these are people that can live normal lives but just not in the gender they desire.

Johnny needs glasses. He has to get an eye test and some lenses.

Oh, but that would cost the taxpayers. He'll be fine, right? He can live a normal life, just not with perfect sight.

Susie has crooked teeth and an overbite. She needs braces and jaw surgery.

Hmmm, that's expensive. Oh well. She's going to have to learn to live with getting bullied.

Gordie has a clubfoot. It'll require some surgery on his tendons and special shoes.

Oh, terribly sorry, Gordie. Money's too tight for that. Maybe we can find you a crutch at the Salvation Army.

Originally Posted by frice2000

When people are denied aids medications and other essential life saving tests and medications from their insurance companies and governments you want them to pay for sex change surgeries? Sorry, no I don't think that's remotely feasible or moral in the scheme of things for society.

I could probably get a prescription for Viagra easier than I could get one for HRT.

Is that just? Is that moral?

Originally Posted by frice2000

Psychological counseling for the transgendered I will for sure agree with and proper education to reduce bias yes of course but others being forced into paying for surgery? No.

So you're willing to pay for a psychologist's time but not a surgeon's.

Tell you what, let me know when your shipment of empathy comes in. You're a quart low.

[frice2000]

No I can empathize with your situation I just don't think I or someone else who has nothing to do with you should have to pay for your situation I'm sorry. Most of the examples you listed that could be qualified are not elective surgery and for those that are you're talking about a child and a deformity or not allowing the child to have a normal life at all.

SRS and HRT for all intents and purposes is entirely plastic elective surgery. Sorry that's what it is. You can say you're more likely to commit suicide and I can understand why as you hate your body but that doesn't mean you are entitled to a free pass by society to chase your dream. I'm not saying you can't get a surgery that you feel you need to live your life...but I don't think society should have to pay it for you. Sorry.

Yes, yes big bad American here. I'm sorry that I don't think you're entitled to purely elective plastic surgery to fit your body ideal. While I recognize you see your body as not representing you I'm supposed to give the finite amount of money the government/HMOs give to you and not someone with a truly life threatening condition? I guess you're under the assumption that money for these programs doesn't have to come out of something else huh? Well it does. Moving funds from one thing to another results in deaths. You're thinking of yourself not others. The funny thing is you probably advocate a governmental policy where the 'people' are taken care of...Well guess what you don't win in that system either for something like this. They won't give what they see a perfectly healthy person money to what they consider to be purely plastic surgery either.

Let me say this again I can empathize with your plight and think you should have by all means the opportunity to follow your dream. I mean I at least have a passing interest in the topic considering where this is posted. I believe you should have the full weight of the law to support you and not fear losing your job or be discriminated in getting a job...But you want me and others to pay for massively expensive surgeries which entire outcome is making you feel better about your body? Should I pay for a genetic woman's breast augmentation surgery too so she can feel better about her body? Should I pay for someones liposuction? I can understand why that is attractive to you and why you desire it, but that should not come at the expense of others or the expense of people unwillingly paying for such a surgery.

If you think I need empathy what you think I need to resolve my conscience by paying for your operation? Why? Does that benefit me? Does that benefit society? Does your health insurance companies raised premiums/government taxes for paying for all of these surgeries and thus making other care inaccessible make you feel better? My own personal empathy to the situation: 1. I don't discriminate. 2. I don't stare. 3. I don't make fun of. 4. I support politicians that do not support discrimination. I DON'T feel I should be forced to pay for you and that doesn't make me feel like a horrible person. You feel like paying my dental bills or my psychologist visits for depression? My insurance doesn't and I understand why and you should understand why I don't want to pay for you either. You're different I respect that. But just because you're different doesn't mean you deserve more/less respect/benefits then any one else should be accorded. No one should have their plastic surgery for something that doesn't relate to scarring/deformities supplemented.

Edit: And in regards to children born inter-sexed it's a physical ailment and should be paid for as per your societies health plans/insurance plans. So yes, I think that should be dealt with. Now you're going to say that then I have to support someone born transgendered but healthy...and I disagree because they are healthy individuals. If they can afford to go through a transition good for them if they can't I'm sorry but society can't pay for everything or everyone has nothing. And this garbage about not fixing a kids cleft lip, glasses, etc. really? You're going to bring out that card? I likely work with people much poorer then you on a daily basis most homeless in this big bad evil country of the United States of America and I can't think of things that their children didn't get when they needed them (unless the parents either withheld funds they were given or used them for purposes totally unrelated to what they were supposed to be for...which happens a lot but that is a entirely separate issue). Your argument is based on garbage. Health insurance companies reject paying claims in this country yes and Medicare/Medicaid doesn't pay for everything but the exaggerations you're putting forward are laughable. And your dig at the Salvation Army is inexcusable. They are the most professional non-profit aid organization on the planet kicks the Red's Cross ass in all of those pesky 'administration' costs don't they?