Expansion Fan Comics - official updates - Page 7

BillPratt · 08-12-2014

And for the opposing view...

Some of it needs to be released as promotional material and frankly it is going to be front end loaded. You need to attract attention in the early going. Release too little and not enough people know you exist for you to pay your expenses. Release too much and you reduce the incentive to purchase.

J Yubari · 08-17-2014

Apologies for getting to the thread late. I've been too busy at a comic con to get on the forums.

I will be quick and to the point. Releasing a "free comic" once in a blue moon should not cheapen the value of the comic. You want more pages and better quality art work? Gaining an audience is imperative to keeping it going and a free comic is a great way to get peoples' attention.

This isn't a normal occurrence; it was just one promotion to help the website and spread the love. Please relax, enjoy the current comics and brace yourselves for some great exclusive comics that are on the way.

BillPratt · 08-17-2014

Really, the fun part is playing Whack-A-Mole with e-hentai and the file-sharing sites. Strike down one copy and two shall take it's place.

Valeyard Vince · 08-17-2014

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Originally Posted by BillPratt

Really, the fun part is playing Whack-A-Mole with e-hentai and the file-sharing sites. Strike down one copy and two shall take it's place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnz_cUlxM9U

Xtrem · 08-17-2014

J Yubari, it seems you were indeed busy, sine it seems you only read my last post.

I'll state it loud and clear here again, so that people can see my point and can agree or disagree with me. Which may help you to change the website in the good way.

For Cleavage Crusader, I would indeed want an explanation. Was the comic applauded and appraised by fellow members ? For me, I do consider it's a failure comic, so it may be just me.

As far as you want to release free comics or give free images, I'll just say this : for comics, go for the older ones, like the first 4 or 5 ones you released. Plus, I do consider most of those as the top of the website, so I think people would enjoy them more. For free images, no comment. I would have rather had a second commic free than see that.

If you REALLY want more audience, you may consider lowering the membership fee. Not by much, but you're one of the most expansive ones of the market, and I know what I'm talking about. Sadly, I can name a website 3 times cheaper than you, with constant quality, and with stuff which is directly coming from the fans. Then, you may tell me that your stuff is ALSO coming from the fans. I'll just state I went once on SizeForum and never came back for the lack of appeal, all in all.

As far as I'm concerned, less than half of what's coming is tickling my interest. Lin's rounding is the one I'm looking forward, because you're trying something new. Tender Mercy looks great, but more for the quality of the art than the story. (I commissioned the artist as a test and was really happy with quality, so I do consider the comic as a success already) And I may take a look at Meta-fiction love story. Genetic Destiny looks arather blah, and I hate Inflated Ego, so seeing 2 add-ons is a huge turn-down.

The only thing I really look forward and isn't on ? The comic EUDETENIS is making for you. Sorry to say, but it'll be your first high-class quality manga in your lot, if you ask me. But I may be biased, since she's one of the artists I love to commission.

I'm not here to destruct a website or its reputation.
However, the more things are being talked, the more I'm getting the feeling that people are missing the point of my disappointment, if it isn't OUR disappointment.

J Yubari · 08-17-2014

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Originally Posted by Xtrem

J Yubari, it seems you were indeed busy, sine it seems you only read my last post.

I'll state it loud and clear here again, so that people can see my point and can agree or disagree with me. Which may help you to change the website in the good way.

For Cleavage Crusader, I would indeed want an explanation. Was the comic applauded and appraised by fellow members ? For me, I do consider it's a failure comic, so it may be just me.

The comic is a failure? Based on what objective criteria? I don't mind you saying you didn't "like" the series but to call someone's work a "failure" is hyperbolic and downright insulting to the people who created it. Valeyard Vince and Octo have actually received praise by some fans for the comic series, which is why we have continued making new chapters. Just because you are a subscriber doesn't mean you should be rude to the content creators.

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Originally Posted by Xtrem

As far as you want to release free comics or give free images, I'll just say this : for comics, go for the older ones, like the first 4 or 5 ones you released. Plus, I do consider most of those as the top of the website, so I think people would enjoy them more. For free images, no comment. I would have rather had a second commic free than see that.

If you REALLY want more audience, you may consider lowering the membership fee. Not by much, but you're one of the most expansive ones of the market, and I know what I'm talking about. Sadly, I can name a website 3 times cheaper than you, with constant quality, and with stuff which is directly coming from the fans. Then, you may tell me that your stuff is ALSO coming from the fans. I'll just state I went once on SizeForum and never came back for the lack of appeal, all in all.

Which website is that?

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Originally Posted by Xtrem

As far as I'm concerned, less than half of what's coming is tickling my interest. Lin's rounding is the one I'm looking forward, because you're trying something new. Tender Mercy looks great, but more for the quality of the art than the story. (I commissioned the artist as a test and was really happy with quality, so I do consider the comic as a success already) And I may take a look at Meta-fiction love story. Genetic Destiny looks arather blah, and I hate Inflated Ego, so seeing 2 add-ons is a huge turn-down.

The only thing I really look forward and isn't on ? The comic EUDETENIS is making for you. Sorry to say, but it'll be your first high-class quality manga in your lot, if you ask me. But I may be biased, since she's one of the artists I love to commission.

I'm not here to destruct a website or its reputation.
However, the more things are being talked, the more I'm getting the feeling that people are missing the point of my disappointment, if it isn't OUR disappointment.

It's impossible to make each and every comic appealing to each and every person's taste. I try to strike a decent balance to overall please everyone. I've had mostly good feedback from the fans thus far. Instead of stating what you don't like why don't you provide more positive feedback on what you DO like so we can make more of it?

Xtrem · 08-18-2014

As far as The Cleavage Crusader is involved, I won't talk about art quality. I don't like the art style used, so it'll make me biased, like I prevously said. However, we can talk about the story. Without revealing anything about the content, I will say that the comic missed the parody target she is aiming at. It looks like a lallapalooza of expansions which is unfolding at a pace dictating the pace of the story, whereas I'm looking forward to a story dictating the pace of the inflations and expansions. The Cleavage Crusader would have been a one-shot or two chapters story, I would have understood. That isn't the case.
It's my opinion. I stated I didn't understand why. If you tell me it's a success, then congratulations to them. It didn't change my thoughts about it, but I'm relieved that at least, it is something some like.

Which website ? Banna Galactic. 6.50$ per month. Meaning that if you want to test one time, compared to your lowest option at 40$, then yes, it is way more interesting. In the long run, it does less bargains than you, but it still is cheaper.
Only bad point there was ? I was targetted by a prick at the beginning of the website so I bailed out. I've come back and for now, even if indeed, a lot of things I dislike are voted, at least, I can discuss the matter with the other members and I understand the global way of it. Peopl have totally the right to like things I don't like. However, there's a difference between being forced with it and going with the flow.
Constant quality : same artist for all.
Constant membership : we are the ones deciding what's going on the website.
Constant smile : the artist and administrator of the website have ALWAYS answered nicely to our questions. And even if some decisions made completely sicken me, things have been talked peacefully and I accept them.

What do I like ? Well, a good story first. The fetish is here to give the quirk. You do the reverse for most. The only fetishes I utterly dislike are futanari and muscle growth. Which means I'm pretty open-minded unlike you try to portray me.

You found I was rude with the artists ? I found you were rather rude yourself to me. I don't mind. I'm known for being tactless, straight to the point and reckless. However, the artists also know it's my strength : I'm not licking your boots, meaning when I say something is good, it's truth and I'm not trying to get something from you.

That's all there is to say, I guess. I'm known by fellow commissioners and fellow fetishists. Not as a reference, but a good deal of them take into account what I say. If you want to discuss further the matter, I'm OK bringing it to private level with private messages. Because following here will only bring more mud for both of us.

Valeyard Vince · 08-18-2014

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Originally Posted by Xtrem

As far as you want to release free comics or give free images, I'll just say this : for comics, go for the older ones, like the first 4 or 5 ones you released. Plus, I do consider most of those as the top of the website, so I think people would enjoy them more.

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Originally Posted by Xtrem

...I hate Inflated Ego, so seeing 2 add-ons is a huge turn-down.

The ironic thing is that many of those early titles you prefer appear to be among our least popular, whereas Inflated Ego and The Cleavage Crusader are among our top crowd pleasers (Inflated Ego in particular is our #1 most popular comic right now).

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For free images, no comment. I would have rather had a second comic free than see that.

Are you talking about the "10 free pin-ups" contest we've been holding on DeviantART, or just that we post any of the member requests on DA to begin with?

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Originally Posted by Xtrem

You found I was rude with the artists ? I found you were rather rude yourself to me. I don't mind. I'm known for being tactless, straight to the point and reckless. However, the artists also know it's my strength : I'm not licking your boots, meaning when I say something is good, it's truth and I'm not trying to get something from you.

What I think happened is that Yubari felt you were being rude because all you said was that The Cleavage Crusader is a " failure," and then didn't offer any constructive criticism beyond that to help us address your concerns with the series. Your honest opinion is appreciated, but we generally prefer feedback with a bit more substance.

And while it is true that The Cleavage Crusader has gotten a fair share of praise (some even going as far as saying its the only comic they subscribe for), I'm always looking for ways to improve...

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Originally Posted by Xtrem

Without revealing anything about the content, I will say that the comic missed the parody target she is aiming at. It looks like a lallapalooza of expansions which is unfolding at a pace dictating the pace of the story, whereas I'm looking forward to a story dictating the pace of the inflations and expansions. The Cleavage Crusader would have been a one-shot or two chapters story, I would have understood. That isn't the case.

...which is why I would appreciate it if you could clarify this statement, because I have no idea what you're saying here. For example, I looked up "lallapalooza" and got the definition "A person or thing that is remarkable, excellent, wonderful, superior, etc."

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Originally Posted by Xtrem

Which website ? Banna Galactic. 6.50$ per month. Meaning that if you want to test one time, compared to your lowest option at 40$, then yes, it is way more interesting.

Finally, your recommendation for Banna Galactic makes me raise an eyebrow: sure, it's cheaper, but that's because it's ONE artist running the whole show, which means they can afford to be cheaper. Furthermore, it appears that certain images get archived and locked away from paying members unless you send an e-mail requesting the specific images, and even then you're given a limit on how many you can have access to.

Are you saying you'd prefer if every single one of our comics looked EXACTLY the same and we made it so that you could only access a small handful of our material at a time even if you're paying full price? That sounds awful!

Valeyard Vince · 08-18-2014

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Originally Posted by J Yubari

Unrelated Note: That GIF is hilarious.

Xtrem · 08-18-2014

OK. ^^ If The Cleavage Crusader and Inflated Ego are #1 and some are buying the subscription only for that, then I have to bow down on that one. I also know how to recognize my tastes aren't shared by most. It doesn't mean I will recognize them as great, but it is important to please the larger part of the community even if quality is not there.

Yes, I'm talking about the 10 free pin ups. They are commissioned by the website which the members are paying for. I don't mind the ideas of the members being posted at all. I even find that nice publicity.

Lallapalooza has the meaning of a huge, hazardous, random event. I might have not used that term, considering I got the meaning from "Hajime no Ippo" only. Sorry for that.
For The Cleavage Crusader, I don't mind explaining precisely my point of view. However, I'll do it on private messages if you ask for it only. I don't want to spoil people who are looking forward to come for that comic. And it'll be a pretty long review, so it's gonna eat a lot of my time.

And here I'll land the final blow : YES, after seeing a lot of paysites, I DO CONSIDER BANNA GALACTIC TO HAVE THE BEST MANAGEMENT SO FAR.
Let me explain why before beating me to pulp.
I'd rather have 1 good artist, even if only 1, than have several artists and getting bad or medium quality 80% of the time. Sure, it's pretty subjective, but I like Jed Soriano's style. Meaning that, even if it's only him, I won't be disappointed. I'm pretty picky when it comes to styles. Very few of the ones on your website fit my tastes. Which means I keep my membership mostly for fetish and stories. And sometimes a badass artist pops and I'm really happy.
The lock system on Banna is great. First, it rewards the long-term members for their membership, which I appreciate a lot. Second, it prevents piracy on a large-scale. Third, it makes you want to check every day for what will pop out. I look at your website once every 3 weeks or 1 month. I like continuous activity over outbursts.
So yeah : I'd rather have cheaper membership, with lower access to your stuff the way it is on Banna. Websites like yours create no intimacy : are you a 1-time member or a long time member ? No big difference, except for the possibility to get a free pic. Websites like Banna create initmacy : you post your ideas, your feedbacks, you try you hand at making a comic, you pray for your idea to be picked by the dog then by the members.

Interaction is important. It sounds ridiculous, but "business with a smile" is the most important rule ever, even on the Internet.

[EDIT] Well, no communication, so I did what had to be done.

J Yubari · 08-21-2014

We've got a new comic out today for you guys. Lin's Rounding features some body expansion and ass expansion, since people have been asking us to do a comic with those.

generallyawesome · 08-21-2014

Hi, I just recently downloaded Lin's Rounding and after reading it, I was left more confused than amused. There are a lot of contradictory moments within the comic which make no sense. For example at the end of page 4, Lin wonders where Chris (I assume her boyfriend because she refers to him as a He) purchased the spice. The next page depicts Lin purchasing the spice from a shop.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...n_Confused.jpg

There was another moment at the end of the comic (that I won't say due to spoilers) that again contradicts information from the start of the comic. I wonder if you have any explanation for this clear lack of communication between the writer and the artist?

08-17-2014	#2
J Yubari Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 261	Re: Expansion Fan Comics - official updates Apologies for getting to the thread late. I've been too busy at a comic con to get on the forums. I will be quick and to the point. Releasing a "free comic" once in a blue moon should not cheapen the value of the comic. You want more pages and better quality art work? Gaining an audience is imperative to keeping it going and a free comic is a great way to get peoples' attention. This isn't a normal occurrence; it was just one promotion to help the website and spread the love. Please relax, enjoy the current comics and brace yourselves for some great exclusive comics that are on the way. __________________ Co-founder: Giantess Fan \| Expansion Fan \| Muscle Fan \| Vore Fan \| Shrink Fan \| Bondage Fan \| Transform Fan \| Futanari Fan \| Monster Girl Fan Become a member to support future installments and request your own commissions.

08-17-2014	#3
BillPratt 789th level Draco-Ninja Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: In my home. Posts: 2,047	Re: Expansion Fan Comics - official updates Really, the fun part is playing Whack-A-Mole with e-hentai and the file-sharing sites. Strike down one copy and two shall take it's place.

08-17-2014	#5
Xtrem Process Ambassador Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Paris Posts: 963	Re: Expansion Fan Comics - official updates J Yubari, it seems you were indeed busy, sine it seems you only read my last post. I'll state it loud and clear here again, so that people can see my point and can agree or disagree with me. Which may help you to change the website in the good way. For Cleavage Crusader, I would indeed want an explanation. Was the comic applauded and appraised by fellow members ? For me, I do consider it's a failure comic, so it may be just me. As far as you want to release free comics or give free images, I'll just say this : for comics, go for the older ones, like the first 4 or 5 ones you released. Plus, I do consider most of those as the top of the website, so I think people would enjoy them more. For free images, no comment. I would have rather had a second commic free than see that. If you REALLY want more audience, you may consider lowering the membership fee. Not by much, but you're one of the most expansive ones of the market, and I know what I'm talking about. Sadly, I can name a website 3 times cheaper than you, with constant quality, and with stuff which is directly coming from the fans. Then, you may tell me that your stuff is ALSO coming from the fans. I'll just state I went once on SizeForum and never came back for the lack of appeal, all in all. As far as I'm concerned, less than half of what's coming is tickling my interest. Lin's rounding is the one I'm looking forward, because you're trying something new. Tender Mercy looks great, but more for the quality of the art than the story. (I commissioned the artist as a test and was really happy with quality, so I do consider the comic as a success already) And I may take a look at Meta-fiction love story. Genetic Destiny looks arather blah, and I hate Inflated Ego, so seeing 2 add-ons is a huge turn-down. The only thing I really look forward and isn't on ? The comic EUDETENIS is making for you. Sorry to say, but it'll be your first high-class quality manga in your lot, if you ask me. But I may be biased, since she's one of the artists I love to commission. I'm not here to destruct a website or its reputation. However, the more things are being talked, the more I'm getting the feeling that people are missing the point of my disappointment, if it isn't OUR disappointment. __________________ My commissions : http://unevenguy.deviantart.com/ Last edited by Xtrem; 08-17-2014 at 10:50 PM.

08-18-2014	#7
Xtrem Process Ambassador Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Paris Posts: 963	Re: Expansion Fan Comics - official updates As far as The Cleavage Crusader is involved, I won't talk about art quality. I don't like the art style used, so it'll make me biased, like I prevously said. However, we can talk about the story. Without revealing anything about the content, I will say that the comic missed the parody target she is aiming at. It looks like a lallapalooza of expansions which is unfolding at a pace dictating the pace of the story, whereas I'm looking forward to a story dictating the pace of the inflations and expansions. The Cleavage Crusader would have been a one-shot or two chapters story, I would have understood. That isn't the case. It's my opinion. I stated I didn't understand why. If you tell me it's a success, then congratulations to them. It didn't change my thoughts about it, but I'm relieved that at least, it is something some like. Which website ? Banna Galactic. 6.50$ per month. Meaning that if you want to test one time, compared to your lowest option at 40$, then yes, it is way more interesting. In the long run, it does less bargains than you, but it still is cheaper. Only bad point there was ? I was targetted by a prick at the beginning of the website so I bailed out. I've come back and for now, even if indeed, a lot of things I dislike are voted, at least, I can discuss the matter with the other members and I understand the global way of it. Peopl have totally the right to like things I don't like. However, there's a difference between being forced with it and going with the flow. Constant quality : same artist for all. Constant membership : we are the ones deciding what's going on the website. Constant smile : the artist and administrator of the website have ALWAYS answered nicely to our questions. And even if some decisions made completely sicken me, things have been talked peacefully and I accept them. What do I like ? Well, a good story first. The fetish is here to give the quirk. You do the reverse for most. The only fetishes I utterly dislike are futanari and muscle growth. Which means I'm pretty open-minded unlike you try to portray me. You found I was rude with the artists ? I found you were rather rude yourself to me. I don't mind. I'm known for being tactless, straight to the point and reckless. However, the artists also know it's my strength : I'm not licking your boots, meaning when I say something is good, it's truth and I'm not trying to get something from you. That's all there is to say, I guess. I'm known by fellow commissioners and fellow fetishists. Not as a reference, but a good deal of them take into account what I say. If you want to discuss further the matter, I'm OK bringing it to private level with private messages. Because following here will only bring more mud for both of us. __________________ My commissions : http://unevenguy.deviantart.com/ Last edited by Xtrem; 08-18-2014 at 12:36 AM.

08-18-2014	#10
Xtrem Process Ambassador Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Paris Posts: 963	Re: Expansion Fan Comics - official updates OK. ^^ If The Cleavage Crusader and Inflated Ego are #1 and some are buying the subscription only for that, then I have to bow down on that one. I also know how to recognize my tastes aren't shared by most. It doesn't mean I will recognize them as great, but it is important to please the larger part of the community even if quality is not there. Yes, I'm talking about the 10 free pin ups. They are commissioned by the website which the members are paying for. I don't mind the ideas of the members being posted at all. I even find that nice publicity. Lallapalooza has the meaning of a huge, hazardous, random event. I might have not used that term, considering I got the meaning from "Hajime no Ippo" only. Sorry for that. For The Cleavage Crusader, I don't mind explaining precisely my point of view. However, I'll do it on private messages if you ask for it only. I don't want to spoil people who are looking forward to come for that comic. And it'll be a pretty long review, so it's gonna eat a lot of my time. And here I'll land the final blow : YES, after seeing a lot of paysites, I DO CONSIDER BANNA GALACTIC TO HAVE THE BEST MANAGEMENT SO FAR. Let me explain why before beating me to pulp. I'd rather have 1 good artist, even if only 1, than have several artists and getting bad or medium quality 80% of the time. Sure, it's pretty subjective, but I like Jed Soriano's style. Meaning that, even if it's only him, I won't be disappointed. I'm pretty picky when it comes to styles. Very few of the ones on your website fit my tastes. Which means I keep my membership mostly for fetish and stories. And sometimes a badass artist pops and I'm really happy. The lock system on Banna is great. First, it rewards the long-term members for their membership, which I appreciate a lot. Second, it prevents piracy on a large-scale. Third, it makes you want to check every day for what will pop out. I look at your website once every 3 weeks or 1 month. I like continuous activity over outbursts. So yeah : I'd rather have cheaper membership, with lower access to your stuff the way it is on Banna. Websites like yours create no intimacy : are you a 1-time member or a long time member ? No big difference, except for the possibility to get a free pic. Websites like Banna create initmacy : you post your ideas, your feedbacks, you try you hand at making a comic, you pray for your idea to be picked by the dog then by the members. Interaction is important. It sounds ridiculous, but "business with a smile" is the most important rule ever, even on the Internet. [EDIT] Well, no communication, so I did what had to be done. __________________ My commissions : http://unevenguy.deviantart.com/ Last edited by Xtrem; 08-20-2014 at 10:24 PM.

08-12-2014	#1
BillPratt 789th level Draco-Ninja Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: In my home. Posts: 2,047	Re: Expansion Fan Comics - official updates And for the opposing view... Some of it needs to be released as promotional material and frankly it is going to be front end loaded. You need to attract attention in the early going. Release too little and not enough people know you exist for you to pay your expenses. Release too much and you reduce the incentive to purchase.

08-21-2014	#11
J Yubari Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 261	Re: Expansion Fan Comics - official updates We've got a new comic out today for you guys. Lin's Rounding features some body expansion and ass expansion, since people have been asking us to do a comic with those. __________________ Co-founder: Giantess Fan \| Expansion Fan \| Muscle Fan \| Vore Fan \| Shrink Fan \| Bondage Fan \| Transform Fan \| Futanari Fan \| Monster Girl Fan Become a member to support future installments and request your own commissions.

08-21-2014	#12
generallyawesome Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 214	Re: Expansion Fan Comics - official updates Hi, I just recently downloaded Lin's Rounding and after reading it, I was left more confused than amused. There are a lot of contradictory moments within the comic which make no sense. For example at the end of page 4, Lin wonders where Chris (I assume her boyfriend because she refers to him as a He) purchased the spice. The next page depicts Lin purchasing the spice from a shop. http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...n_Confused.jpg There was another moment at the end of the comic (that I won't say due to spoilers) that again contradicts information from the start of the comic. I wonder if you have any explanation for this clear lack of communication between the writer and the artist?