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Unread 12-13-2017   #37
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I strongly disagree.
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Unread 12-14-2017   #38
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There's one important detail everyone's forgetting: No Rick Baker.

It was Baker's FX that made the original so memorable. And it was the proliferation of CG over hand-made FX that finally drove him out of the business.

Without Rick Baker, there is no point in doing this at all.
Stan Winston is gone but his studio still produces great vfx, Rick Baker left a legacy so all going well see them honour this legacy.
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Unread 12-14-2017   #39
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Agreed. Who was the industry's Rick Backer before Rick Baker? Who was Stan Winston before Stan Winston? Somewhere out there is the next great practical effects artist, and maybe the AWIL remake is where they'll make a name for themselves.
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Unread 12-14-2017   #40
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Agreed. Who was the industry's Rick Backer before Rick Baker? Who was Stan Winston before Stan Winston? Somewhere out there is the next great practical effects artist, and maybe the AWIL remake is where they'll make a name for themselves.
Rob Bottin is gone too. :/
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Unread 12-14-2017   #41
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It’s not only being a good artist but also knowing how to cast and sculpt a body with plaster/latex in order to get the proper dimensions of the person being transformed. Years ago, I posted a behind-the-scenes photo (from Twitter) of what Rick Baker originally had planned for Judy Greer’s transformation in “Cursed,” a project we all depressingly know was taken away from him and handed to some no-name CGI studio that’s probably gone bankrupt by now. The reason why his version of the creature was so awesome (besides Rick’s practical-effects work always being top-notch) wasn’t because it was a great-looking werewolf or even female werewolf, but that it looked exactly like a Judy Greer werewolf. Again, the reason for this is because they cast her head, so the final result looked like her regular facial features stretched out to lupine form; it literally looked like the actress’ face morphed naturally into a werewolf’s maw in real life. This is the reason most TFs today suffer by comparison. Either it’s just CGI or they simply slap makeup on the actor and then replace him/her with some creature they found lying around the effects department. They didn’t take the time to actually do the work and cast the performer’s body, as they painstakingly did for “AWIL” and “The Howling.”

TLDR: Casting the body is key.
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Unread 12-14-2017   #42
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It’s not only being a good artist but also knowing how to cast and sculpt a body with plaster/latex in order to get the proper dimensions of the person being transformed. Years ago, I posted a behind-the-scenes photo (from Twitter) of what Rick Baker originally had planned for Judy Greer’s transformation in “Cursed,” a project we all depressingly know was taken away from him and handed to some no-name CGI studio that’s probably gone bankrupt by now. The reason why his version of the creature was so awesome (besides Rick’s practical-effects work always being top-notch) wasn’t because it was a great-looking werewolf or even female werewolf, but that it looked exactly like a Judy Greer werewolf. Again, the reason for this is because they cast her head, so the final result looked like her regular facial features stretched out to lupine form; it literally looked like the actress’ face morphed naturally into a werewolf’s maw in real life. This is the reason most TFs today suffer by comparison. Either it’s just CGI or they simply slap makeup on the actor and then replace him/her with some creature they found lying around the effects department. They didn’t take the time to actually do the work and cast the performer’s body, as they painstakingly did for “AWIL” and “The Howling.”

TLDR: Casting the body is key.
Yeah, I agree with that. Well, I prefer practical effects, but just because the reason the "normal" CGI sucks: every second of effects is painfully expensive so the way to cut costs with CGI is making the TF fast as hell. With practical effects, you expend initially a large sum of money, but after that time is not an issue, and you can even recycle some elements for further scenes (that's probably the reason behind the dramatic reduction on TF scenes in Bitten throughout the show).
Anyway, I need to comment that CGI can be as good as real stuff. I've heard that there is one studio in Los Angeles especialised in making digital 3D copies of human bodies ultra-realistic way. They scan the actor, and then the model can be animated, edited, etc. This is clearly useful when you need a younger/older version of the actor for a scene, or to replace a stuntman face by the one from the actor, just to name mainstream uses. Imagine what they can do with the scaned body of a female actress. Yes, a perfect werewolf TF as detailed as you wish. The problem: sadly it is horribly expensive, and only the big studios can afford it.
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It’s not only being a good artist but also knowing how to cast and sculpt a body with plaster/latex in order to get the proper dimensions of the person being transformed. Years ago, I posted a behind-the-scenes photo (from Twitter) of what Rick Baker originally had planned for Judy Greer’s transformation in “Cursed,” a project we all depressingly know was taken away from him and handed to some no-name CGI studio that’s probably gone bankrupt by now. The reason why his version of the creature was so awesome (besides Rick’s practical-effects work always being top-notch) wasn’t because it was a great-looking werewolf or even female werewolf, but that it looked exactly like a Judy Greer werewolf. Again, the reason for this is because they cast her head, so the final result looked like her regular facial features stretched out to lupine form; it literally looked like the actress’ face morphed naturally into a werewolf’s maw in real life. This is the reason most TFs today suffer by comparison. Either it’s just CGI or they simply slap makeup on the actor and then replace him/her with some creature they found lying around the effects department. They didn’t take the time to actually do the work and cast the performer’s body, as they painstakingly did for “AWIL” and “The Howling.”

TLDR: Casting the body is key.
This is a shot of his work for Cursed.
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Unread 12-23-2017   #44
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So, speaking of Max Landis and rumours, we may not be getting this remake after all if these allegations turn out to be true:

https://www.themarysue.com/sexual-as...andis-twitter/

At least, we won't be getting a remake with Landis at the helm. The guy might have just weinsteined his career.
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Unread 12-24-2017   #45
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So, speaking of Max Landis and rumours, we may not be getting this remake after all if these allegations turn out to be true:

https://www.themarysue.com/sexual-as...andis-twitter/

At least, we won't be getting a remake with Landis at the helm. The guy might have just weinsteined his career.

Well, that's the end of that. But by this point most of us already knew it wasn't going to happen anyway. It wouldn't have been any good, a huge dissapointment either way. Didn't need to be remade in the first place etc.

Now let us never speak of this again. There will NEVER be a remake, end of story.

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