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Unread 05-07-2009   #325
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Re: Mistress Taylor Presents BE Updates

She "like, totally does; like, an awesome job with her bimboness, yah. Like, awesome."

Excellent POV shots too, cheers Taylor and crew. =)
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Unread 05-08-2009   #326
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Re: Mistress Taylor Presents BE Updates

Bella Likes Breast Expansion

Bella books a gig with Taylor not having any idea what kind of stuff she shoots but
finds out moments after arriving that having
bigger, expanding breasts makes her SO HOT!
Part of the 7 VIALS Series




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Unread 05-09-2009   #327
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Re: Mistress Taylor Presents BE Updates

bad dialouge

yet another need to fast forward through dumb opening

no build up into the BE aka almost insta

when it does barely any

and don't let the pictures fool you no she doesn't go bottomless

PS sfx are good but when theres no actual movement and just sfx that doesn't count as BE

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Unread 05-09-2009   #328
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Re: Mistress Taylor Presents BE Updates

You've been trolling here for 3 years...and this is your 2nd contribution?

Daphne's last clip was just what the Dr. ordered. How's about a little consideration for the effort Taylor and company are putting forth? You want to be hyper-critical, PM Bud or Taylor, for they're curious about constructive criticisim. There's no need to be so negative in this thread.
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Unread 05-09-2009   #329
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Re: Mistress Taylor Presents BE Updates

I really enjoyed the two most recent clips! A definite improvement over "Slow for a Saturday Night". Keep up the good work.
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Unread 05-10-2009   #330
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Re: Mistress Taylor Presents BE Updates

It was also, by far, the worst.
...but in this case it just doesn't work.
Half the clip being filler is nothing new...
...is excruciating.
...is underwhelming and inferior to most of the previous productions.
...the breast props just didn't do it for me.
I do feel like I just wasted nine bucks...
...invest in a decent microphone.
...destroying their suspension of disbelief.



You know criticism as bad and as non-subjective sounding as that can knock quite a large percentage off the sales of a clip.

But we deserve it. We obviously just "mailed it in" on this one hoping to sneak one by based on reputation but you were sharp and you caught us in the act.
You let *everyone* know they shouldn't waste their money on this garbage and that is the best way to keep producers like us in line.
I am glad that the people who told us they love this clip were lucky and they bought it before they read the warning that it was just a waste of money.

In other fetishes inferior clips won't sell as much as the good ones because they don't get as many positive "calls to action"!
When a bunch of people say... "Great Clip!" "My Favorite" "Holy Shit" "Its a must have!" that makes people go and get it themselves but when the response is quieter and limited more to people who had specific kinks addressed by the clip..."I have conspiracy theory fetish! Thanks!" then not so many will be getting that clip.

Believe it or not but in any other fetish people never post after a producer's "release" announcement and put up a "I just wasted nine bucks..." type of review about the clip they are trying to sell and why would anyone do that with a producer they think works hard and makes good content?

However, in this case, the "chance" you took resulted in a huge stumble backward, in my humble opinion. My goal in criticizing "Saturday Night" was simply to get that point across, so that future productions can benefit from past mistakes.

WoW!

It almost seems like you think we believe we made our best clip yet.

90% of the footage we shot never made it into the clip.
Things went wrong and things didn't work as we thought but that is true half of the time we shoot BE.
Girls or agencies use dated pictures or ones that are airburshed to all hell. Sometimes there is a pretty big difference between what you expect the model to look like and what she actually does. Sometimes models arrive somewhat "distracted" I guess is a good way to put it. Even though they told us how terrific they are with dialog they actually can't "act" without taking long dullardly stares right at the camera after each line.

Its things like this(and many others) that make a decent BE clip very difficult to do.

At that point just throwing in the towel and making an guaranteed awfully awkward BE clip would have been a "huge stumble backward" because we just said "fuck it".

Instead we tried to balance out the the model's weak points and somehow make a memorable and unique clip out of it by playing towards her positives(hardcore).

Unfortunately there were many more things waiting to go wrong for us.
We didn't succeed but we didn't fail either.


bad dialouge
yet another need to fast forward through dumb opening
no build up into the BE aka almost insta
when it does barely any
and don't let the pictures fool you no she doesn't go bottomless
PS sfx are good but when theres no actual movement and just sfx that doesn't count as BE


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From this review I don't get the feeling that you think the clip is nearly as "good" as you said it was 12 hours before in our forum.

This post comes only an hour or so after you realized your permissions were changed at our forum. You obviously got angry and you took my advice from a couple weeks ago and came here to over-criticize fetish porn.
Maybe you should have waited for whatever clip we released next and trashed that one so you wouldn't so obviously contradict yourself and undermine the believability of your entire rant.


Candide & netripper(n3tr111p)---Both you guys are great customers of ours and it sucks that we obliviously disagree on the merit of highly negative rants posted in retort to a "new release announcement".

But I'm certainly in the wrong forum to even try to be make that argument. haha
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Unread 05-10-2009   #331
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Re: Mistress Taylor Presents BE Updates

I have to time in here people, because I think there are a few here that are really not thinking before they're posting. First, please stop and realize what kind of service Taylor is presenting here. This is fetish material all around. It's not just some BE or Growth that she's all about, but a mix of many fetishes. You shouldn't be complaining that every clip isn't for you or criticize it so badly that you start to make her question whey she's even dipping her hands into the waters that we love to swim in. There's not exactly a lot of people out there willing to take our suggestions and put them on film, and there are still several fetishes she hasn't even gotten to shoot, but we know she's going to because she said she would.

If you don't like the clip or you don't like the combination of fetishes in the clip, then don't buy it just to come here and explain how you didn't like it. Like the old saying "if you don't have anything nice to say then say nothing" goes, complaining about how you dislike this or that in a video that was produced from ideas that WE gave Taylor is just stupid. Constructive criticism is one thing, but honestly if you're not a film major or a production assistant, does it REALLY mean that much to you to tear Taylor's work down into little pieces just to make yourself seem smart? It's once again ultimately fetish work and just because certain things may not appeal to you or seem out of place or awkward, keep in mind, she's one of the few people that do this work, and only because she believes it's worth her time. Think before you post about what Taylor is doing, why she's doing it and lets keep her rolling on these things before she ends up hearing so much negativity that what we want is no longer worth her time.
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Unread 05-10-2009   #332
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Re: Mistress Taylor Presents BE Updates

your dead on i was upset

I learned my lesson from last time and limited my criticism to a simple

lose the cheesy intro

it was a good clip and didn't kill my interest in buying future clips

but that still was too much i guess and so I came here and spoke up even on the littlest things that could of been done better

that Saturday Night deal was painful and would be the bookend for the bad section of BE but everything else so far including the recent BELLA vid are alright and should be bought

PS true I stay in the shadows do not contribute post wise but I have spent plenty towards all the clip providers/comic/drawing/and monthly fee sites and gave everyone a chance, just lookin for some good BE and TAYLOR is by far the best shot at it we all have
just was upset and decided to be blunt

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Unread 05-10-2009   #333
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Re: Mistress Taylor Presents BE Updates

I'm sorry... I've paid you, what, three or four hundred dollars over the past year and haven't earned the right to be vocally disappointed by a clip? Yes, a negative review can hurt your sales--and yes, that was the goal of my post. The only thing business understands is the bottom line, so if I can prevent you from selling me a terrible product in the future by ensuring that fewer people pay for your most recent failure, that's exactly what I'm going to do.

Bud, writing an immature response, full of sarcasm and accusations, to a thoughtful critique of a genuinely bad product isn't helping your case. You think I'm an ingrate?

Take it professionally, not personally.

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If you don't like the clip or you don't like the combination of fetishes in the clip, then don't buy it just to come here and explain how you didn't like it.
Here's a little taste of the aforementioned sarcasm:

Oh yes, I bought this clip intending not to like it just so I could rip into its producers and hurt their sales. I know they're doing us such a huge favor by selling us their product, and we should never complain even if they release a video that's so far inferior to all previous clips that some of us find it unwatchable.

This isn't some artist who contributes free material (*cough*, how many hundreds of hours have I spent making free stuff for this community?), this is a business. Bad products should not (and hopefully will not) sell as well, and ultimately hurt the bottom line. And I, for one, would like TaylorMadeClips to keep on producing fetish material I like.

To make a long story short (too late!): my criticism was justified. Even in the fetish porn biz, consumers have a voice. Consider, for a moment, that while I was addressing TaylorMadeClips, maybe I was really speaking to the whole forum rather than just Budapest Swope and Mistress Taylor.

This is not simply a place for producers to get free exposure without risk of criticism. The idea that I should pay for a clip and then remain totally silent even if I hated it is, frankly, bullshit.

-- Candide

PS: So don't act like I came onto your forum and pulled some stunt. This is our forum, all of ours (and yours). If we can't give our opinions here, then where can we?

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Unread 05-10-2009   #334
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I'm sorry... I've paid you, what, three or four hundred dollars over the past year and haven't earned the right to be vocally disappointed by a clip? Yes, a negative review can hurt your sales--and yes, that was the goal of my post. The only thing business understands is the bottom line, so if I can prevent you from selling me a terrible product in the future by ensuring that fewer people pay for your most recent failure, that's exactly what I'm going to do.

Bud, writing an immature response, full of sarcasm and accusations, to a thoughtful critique of a genuinely bad product isn't helping your case. You think I'm an ingrate?

Take it professionally, not personally.



Here's a little taste of the aforementioned sarcasm:

Oh yes, I bought this clip intending not to like it just so I could rip into its producers and hurt their sales. I know they're doing us such a huge favor by selling us their product, and we should never complain even if they release a video that's so far inferior to all previous clips that some of us find it unwatchable.

This isn't some artist who contributes free material (*cough*, how many hundreds of hours have I spent making free stuff for this community?), this is a business. Bad products should not (and hopefully will not) sell as well, and ultimately hurt the bottom line. And I, for one, would like TaylorMadeClips to keep on producing fetish material I like.

To make a long story short (too late!): my criticism was justified. Even in the fetish porn biz, consumers have a voice. Consider, for a moment, that while I was addressing TaylorMadeClips, maybe I was really speaking to the whole forum rather than just Budapest Swope and Mistress Taylor.

This is not simply a place for producers to get free exposure without risk of criticism. The idea that I should pay for a clip and then remain totally silent even if I hated it is, frankly, bullshit.

-- Candide

PS: So don't act like I came onto your forum and pulled some stunt. This is our forum, all of ours (and yours). If we can't give our opinions here, then where can we?
I'm sorry but i think i have to agree. By choosing to never say anything about a product you think is inferior you are telling the maker that they should continue to make products that way. And while you could say that this could be accomplished via people applauding a clip instead, what if no one does? This could let people purchase it and be just as dissappointed as the last person but what has that really accomplished. The only thing i think that could be argued here is presentation of the arguements. Instead of constructive criticism or sugar coating it, they went more of a blunt technique. I think it makes a good point that this is purely meant to be professional.

I have purchased bout 7 clips myself and most recently, the bella clip. I can honestly say i was dissappointed for a couple of reasons; a) They took an element which has made their last few clips really strong (angle of cleavage and such) and made that an entire clip. While i really like that, it made for a lesser product in the end since they couldn't rely on any of their other techniques used in previous ones. b) (relying off of a) The size difference made it feel like nothing really happened. It was a great idea but i don't think it quite made it to it's intended plan. c) Lastly, there was a minute introduction to about 2 min introduction. I'm used to these and if they are introducing story or conversation that is fine. Instead half of the introduction this time was extending the 10 second song. If this was meant for the introduction of the 7 vials series that's fine assuming the regular length in the next ones but it just seemed unneccessary.

Although, i do have to say i was throughly impressed with the balloon video. It used a reasonable amount of talking (usually it seems as if a lot of actresses need to talk the entire time and i think she did a good job showing that you didnt), kept the B.E. fairly constant, and the ending part was hilarious (and hot) when she was talking about her profile. I do reccommend that video.

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"but honestly if you're not a film major or a production assistant"

I'm sorry i am neither of these but i feel as if my comments as a consumer and an avid BE fan nullify your statement. If you read what i said here i think it makes sense that you don't have to be either of these to make a comment. We're trying to convey things we would like to see, not neccessarily how the camera is angeled or how the lighting is etc. just what we would like to see these women do. I hope this brings some light on the situation as i know this thread has been a little bit of a hot topic since the slow for saturday night clip.
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Unread 05-10-2009   #335
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Add me to the list that did not enjoy the newest Daphne Rosen clip. I have bought clips in the past and was satisfied, but not with this one.
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Unread 05-10-2009   #336
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I feel the need to point out that all of the boards have this awesome feature called 'private messages.' If you actually have constructive criticism to offer, you can easily do so with private messages, and no need to 'call out' Bud or Taylor.

I've personally found them to be very receptive to criticism as long as it's A: constructive and B: how can I put it...not dickish? You know, couched as if you're actually trying to help them improve, instead of just listing a bunch of aspects that you wouldn't have done if it was you, but of course you're too busy saving the world or some shit, so it wasn't you, but you know, you could just do better.

Keep in mind: they are doing us a favor. BE clips are very much not their primary income, they're the most shared illegally, and apparently the BE community has a lot of people with a strong sense of entitlement, not to mention armchair quarterbacks. They're working hard to do quality work, that's varied, well-acted, and cheap.

Top that off with their frankly unprecedented level of community involvement, not to mention their active solicitation for ideas (they beg for them in fact), and the fact that they listen to our suggestions, and yeah, they are doing us a fucking favor. You all know they don't need to do this, and you all also know that none of you are going to put your money where your mouth is, take a risk and pick up where they leave off if they do stop making stuff for us.

Stop acting like you just got pickles you didn't ask for on your burger and start acting like you want to help them do better, like they've asked you to.

Christ.

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