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Unread 10-01-2013   #85
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Re: Female Werewolf needles in a haystack

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It's not just either the shots from the fights in 300 or completely still. Even the shot you described involved the camera panning out, which is not a completely static shot. You're not actually disagreeing with her like you seemed to think.
I'd describe it as holding a shot. It wasn't quick motion, it was a long draw. It was something that would never be done today, especially for something as banal as just eating a doughnut. It wasn't "show many angles, close-up shots, focus in on things" as far as I remember.
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I'd describe it as holding a shot. It wasn't quick motion, it was a long draw. It was something that would never be done today, especially for something as banal as just eating a doughnut. It wasn't "show many angles, close-up shots, focus in on things" as far as I remember.
Well, I don't know anything about the theory of cinema and how to plan a camera angle on a scene but as far as that animation goes it really seems like the animator just wanted to cut out some corners by just doing everything in one single scene without cuts, for me it is acceptable on that case of an animation completely sepparated from any plot or without any scene built up around it, it is just a girl TFing into a werewolf. I do agree that in the case of including this animation on a series with a plot and more character development this would have to be redone to make it more appealing.
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I honestly don't care if people agree with me, I'm not stating opinion here, I'm stating professional standard. I'm glad it made your penis hard, but that doesn't make it a good animation or clip.
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I agree it sucked
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tough crowd tough crowd..sorry i shared it..
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tough crowd tough crowd..sorry i shared it..
Why? This is the whole point of the thread isn't it? Finding werewolf girls in a haystack. People may not like the needle but it is a valid needle, and there must be more needles from where that one came from.
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I honestly don't care if people agree with me, I'm not stating opinion here, I'm stating professional standard. I'm glad it made your penis hard, but that doesn't make it a good animation or clip.
I don't think he was down-playing your opinion. He was merely adding his owns views to promote a more diverse discussion.
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Remember, Kari, by your standards, it is not good. By artistic standards, that is up to the critics. If you come to everything with a "media producer" point of view you may miss artistic merit in some places. Since you draw art, I don't believe you always think so objectively.

For example, if someone came to you and said your doggirls (or wuffers, as you call them) and said the angles you pick are too boring, would you not disagree? Since the clip in question can but not necessarily referred to as cinema, auteur theory can be applied to it just as artistic expression can be applied to your drawing of doggirls.

Not to mention, whether or not something is actually good, and whether or not you like it, are two different things. I like The Howling, but I do not think it is good. Just as I do not like An American Werewolf in London, but I am aware it is a good film.
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Remember, Kari, by your standards, it is not good. By artistic standards, that is up to the critics. If you come to everything with a "media producer" point of view you may miss artistic merit in some places. Since you draw art, I don't believe you always think so objectively.

For example, if someone came to you and said your doggirls (or wuffers, as you call them) and said the angles you pick are too boring, would you not disagree? Since the clip in question can but not necessarily referred to as cinema, auteur theory can be applied to it just as artistic expression can be applied to your drawing of doggirls.

Not to mention, whether or not something is actually good, and whether or not you like it, are two different things. I like The Howling, but I do not think it is good. Just as I do not like An American Werewolf in London, but I am aware it is a good film.
Artistic merit aside, my views are not critiquing the art itself. My critique was based solely on it's merit as an animation.
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I honestly don't care if people agree with me, I'm not stating opinion here, I'm stating professional standard. I'm glad it made your penis hard, but that doesn't make it a good animation or clip.
It's statements like this, that are slowly killing my hopes of civility in most people. The just pure "I'm right, you are wrong, My views are correct, You must be flawed." Attitude has just been killing my opinion of people lately.

Still that I can kinda deal with. Cause everyone is entitled to their own views on the functions and structures of things.

The part that really irks me though is questioning someone elses views by making a remark that seems to derive that they are only interested in something because of their penis. That just really irks me.

I originally had a reversal point at Kari here and their own personal "interests" along with the remark I am sure it made their penis hard too. Instead I cut it out because I don't feel like being so harsh to make a point.

I just want to say it's one thing to disagree with someone, it's another thing to try to demean them and insult their tastes by implying that they only have interest in something because it "made your penis hard."
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Re: Female Werewolf needles in a haystack

To be fair(also, hi, lurker mode temporarily disengaged), I've studied 3D animation and though this was 2D both tends to be dependent on very similar principles.

And, well, to be frank this animation in general was.... very subpar. Especially the pacing. I could talk at a certain lenght about animation curves and the "natural" flow of animations an animator needs to produces but this had very few of it.

Anatomy was generally bad and linework/coloring could have been better.

It's an animation, and admitedly there is very little such work involving werewolves, especially quality ones, but many of Kari's point are relevant in her criticism of this.
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It's statements like this, that are slowly killing my hopes of civility in most people. The just pure "I'm right, you are wrong, My views are correct, You must be flawed." Attitude has just been killing my opinion of people lately.
That's not what she was saying, she was just stating those things based on the standards she was taught.

I can't believe this devolved into such BS. Let's all just drop it and move on.
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