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Unread 04-23-2012   #49
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Oh, and I vote Holly Webster be chosen as the actress. She performs really well, seems like she would be the least likely to have an issue with the content, and has that nerdy girl-next-door appearance; in essence, she appears natural, and as someone we could relate with (aka, a "7", as someone else suggested earlier).

Agreed, plus she did the "I want to be Pig" video, so maybe she wouldn't have a problem with becoming a werewolf
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Unread 04-23-2012   #50
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I think the problem with doing it where the girl knows it's going to happen AND be naked makes the idea lose some of the impact that one without the other brings.
Exactly. Stripping down or wearing very little the moment the change begins just makes it kinda of...mundane. It robs the viewer of almost half the fun, honestly.

Not saying the "I'm aware I'm a beast, I must prepare" scenario is invalid, mind you. It just isn't as exciting, in my opinion. Better suited for an indie-film type of deal, I think, and not a fetish porn video.

The confusion and fear of not knowing what's happening to you; the gradual loss of control over your own body; growing and tearing out of your clothes because you're too overwhelmed to remove them. Now that's a good werewolf clip, and a good fetish porn video.
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Unread 04-23-2012   #51
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I too agree that Holly would seem to fit the mold as sort of a nerdy girl that turns into this monstrous thing and she is a good actress, which is why I'm glad they used her for the Pig Transformation video(though that was more about the build-up to rather than the transformation of course).

I'm also not trying to knockdown any idea about having a Werewolf clip made, naked, clothed, aware, unaware, in control, total monstrous killing machine, anything is good for me! Lets face the facts, if a Werewolf clip is made, and it's good, I highly doubt it would be the last one Taylor and Bud would make. But also think about the type of clip which is best considering a lower budget and sparse special effects, or I should say special effects that can be done and look great for less money.

When I think of it that way, considering Taylor won't have the budget to show a full body, nude Werewolf transformation like in American Werewolf, the better thing to do is to show the side effects of the transformation with clothing on, such as the ripping back and shoulders, the popping of buttons, tearing pants and shoes, etc, which Taylor and Bud have shown in some of their other clips, so we know those effects will be good. Remember, less is more!

Of course we don't just want it to become a slightly different version of a growth clip, there's got to be the Werewolf part of course, but I'm trying to think of ways to make the clip have as much in it for all types of Werewolf lovers as possible, while still maintaining the ability to show as much as they can before they have to get into the really hard make-up or graphic effects. Starting with clothes ripping and falling off seems like a good bet, so even if the Werewolf effects can't be American Werewolf quality, the entire clip as a whole will be seen as a large step in the right direction.
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Not saying the "I'm aware I'm a beast, I must prepare" scenario is invalid, mind you. It just isn't as exciting, in my opinion. Better suited for an indie-film type of deal, I think, and not a fetish porn video.
Wait wait wait. A slow striptease featuring sweating, panting, moaning and stomach pains doesn't make for a good fetish porn video. It's right here where you lose me, my friend. For me, the impact remains perfectly intact through the dread the woman has for the oncoming change, and her fearful reactions to its approach. If the acting is done well, it should never feel like mundane routine, but a terrifying experience where the build up is served by the woman's awareness of what's happening and inability to halt the inevitable.

It also has the added bonus of getting the woman naked before any actual transformation starts to go down. I don't know about you, but breasts and the female figure are a big part of this for me, so I quite enjoy it when the woman has some time to sweat and writhe before her body actually starts to go down the road of wolf. Consider also that this more low-budget offering might have difficulties building a full wolf- this means rippage might be hard to convey, and most of the transformation might be contained to acting and the build up of the change, with the actual change comprising mostly of coy camera shots, claws, fangs and a bit of fur. This means that for the bulk of the thing, we won't see nudity at all, and bare breasts that aren't hidden by tricky photography is definitely one of the things I'd like to see most from a video specifically catered to sexuality.

Of course, I understand where you're coming from about clothing ripping- it's just lovely, when it can be done, but I feel like in this particular case it might detract more from the video than it adds. With this in mind, I figured I'd try to throw some compromises out there. I understand if this doesn't gel well with you guys, but I thought if we can end up pleasing both parties, we should go for it.

The Topless Transformation

The woman in question, still aware that she's a werewolf, ends up arriving home late. All of the above still happens, but she only has time to remove her top and bra before the symptoms of the change grow too great. This leaves us with upper body bare, lower body still clothed, and allows her to tear out of her pants and underwear.

The American Werewolf in London

Girl is unaware of her curse, and as she begins to grow hot and winded, she rips out of her clothing by literally tearing her shirt off and wrenching her pants down as a result of the change taking her.

The Swimsuit Model

The girl is unaware of her curse, and is wearing something exceptionally revealing- bra and underwear, bikini, something along those lines- as she begins to transform.

As for the rest, well, I have only one piece of further advice for Bud and TMC. If you do decide to do a werewolf clip, I think there's one thing we can universally agree on, and that's make sure that the woman is dressed sexily. You just can't go wrong with an outfit that shows some cleavage.
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Unread 04-23-2012   #53
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

Silhouettes and Shadow Play are good ways to show things on screen in terms of transformation without having to spend a fortune. Mako's The Hunted used this to great effect.
http://youtu.be/ro0X8wkaIX8

The Close up's and acting style in this video "Mad Dog" that was posted here recently from 3:54 onwards http://youtu.be/GEhs98Bz7NI really pull a viewer into the transformation. It's performance above any make up or cgi that makes or breaks the scene.

Sound Design is very important as Cursebearer stated. Sound can trick your audience into thinking things are happening even when they are off screen. from the squelching stretch of the victims skin as they change and transform to the tearing of clothes. Also music is key throughout and it should build with the scene being both foreboding in the build-up and also giving the transformation a pace and overall feel/mood it would otherwise lack without.
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Unread 04-23-2012   #54
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Curse I'm not trying to kick and punch my way away from your idea by the way. One of the biggest reasons I like transformation is that sense of the unknown, the disbelief in what a Werewolf is, becoming one, being one. All of that plays into a mind game where both the Werewolf and the audience have to decide to believe it's going to happen or it's not going to happen. To me, part of any monster transformation, Werewolf or not, is the clothing being torn apart as the changes go through their paces. I think of the clothes just as much a part of the changes as the human form. In shedding the clothes first, it's like that first layer of "human" drops away, leading to the next bit of changes to start to come into play.

I'm not asking to not start her off naked, or knowing the changes are coming. The preparations and all that is simply a less used take on the whole idea. Most first time Werewolves in movies these days are unaware, or at the very least, know it's coming but still get caught off guard in some way for it. Even in Being Human the first transformations into Werewolf for all the actors and actresses was clothed with some ripping going on. Keep in mind I'm not asking to change your idea on the basis that I don't like the idea, I'm doing it on the basis that the clip would be a bit more dramatic and include other bits of other fetishes so more than just Werewolf fans would enjoy the clip as well (Breast Expansion, Clothing Destruction and Ripping, Transformation, Hair Growth, etc). If you have a chance to make a transformation clip, why limit it to just bare skin? I dunno, again, I like it either way. I'll shush up now! <3!
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Unread 04-23-2012   #55
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Don't worry Rei-Lin. I certainly don't take offense to anybody's ideas or preferences, and I'm willing to bow to the desires of the community on this one. If TMC is kind enough to make us a werewolf video, I would like it to please as many fans as much as possible, but of course I'll still defend my points in the process. In the end, I just hope that TMC can manage this mammoth undertaking and bring us a werewolf TF, and that if they do, we can make it worth their while.
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Unread 04-23-2012   #56
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Re: TMC Werewolf?

I have to say I'm with Rei-Lin on this one. Gender flip the roles in The Howling, stick the camera in the POV of the Dee Wallace (watcher) part and that would be perfection for me.

If any of you have ever bedded a properly fun woman then you know they already have some pretty animalistic qualities going on beneath the surface. Sure, they may be all prim and proper at work, and may even be reluctant to kiss or make out; but there's that point where a switch is flipped and they go all crazy and you see that feral side take over. And they enjoy every damned minute of it. THAT'S the part I'd like to see expounded upon:

Going from normal (say having a glass of wine together),
to admitting lust ("I've always wanted you"),
to losing control ("Tonight's the full moon, so I can't hide my feelings for you any longer")
to embracing the animal ("I want to show you how I really feel")

And yes, leaving the clothes on to be destroyed in the TF is a big part of that. As we all know a modern civilized woman defines herself by her clothes. Leaving them on as she turns into the Big Bad Wolf means we get to see her, literally and figuratively, come out of her shell.

With all of that said, I'd buy/watch whatever is made. And Cursebearer you are an excellent writer so if you indeed play any part in the script I'm sure it'll be good, even if it is lacking in some way as far as my specific preferences go.

*Edit to add another probably unlikely prospect that I'd LOVE to see Taylor play the part herself. I don't think she's even doing any acting herself anymore, but damn she'd be the perfect person. She's got the look, and that subtle predatory demeanor which would be perfect IMO. Just sayin'.

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Unread 04-23-2012   #57
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Cursebearer,

I've said my peace on the matter.

Whatever the community chooses, the clip will no doubt be stellar.

I'll leave it at that.
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Unread 04-23-2012   #58
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Hey man, it was a good discussion. I share your sentiments, and thank you. The more input we get on this matter, the better, I think, and you've given the community a place to be heard.
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Unread 04-26-2012   #59
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So in the event that I did write a more simple script for a werewolf TF, would it be any use to you good folks at TMC? I'm just curious because I have plenty of opportunity to write it, these days.
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your interest in defeminizing and extreme pain in the transformation would make it unappealing, at least to me.
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