Mental and Biological TF Conversation: A Diabolical Plan

[jolem]

Okay, so I have this Villan Stu... I'm not going to hide the fact that he is compared to the other stories that have "recurring" characters that never get caught because no matter how many people they transformed they still win in the end with little or no resistance. Anyway, this guy travels through dimensions and found one that had just finished going through a transformation apocalypse that turned about 40% of the population into anthros, or morphs, about a couple of years ago. The people of that Earth is still trying to recover from it, one of them is handling politics of how they should still be treated one side say that they should still be treated like normal since the changes are mostly just physical rather than mental and the other side says that the changed should be treated like animals anyway.

Naturally, the side that view the change as animals are losing the arguement and one politician that has such strong conviction is wandering around somewhere and trying to figure out a way turn this around. My villian stu shows up and present to the politician a device he made that can control an anthro's instinct making her into a wild animal. After a demonstration, he promises to the politician that if he can finish perfecting this device it'll affect her and everyone like her to act like an animal and this will help the politican proves his point. Normally after the politician sees that my Viilian Stu is a small red thing that has antennas coming out of his head, he would reject such a offer, but desparate times calls for desparate messures along with the belief that if he can show that an anthro can't control his instincts or his kind can be controlled by other things like this device, then he can make others believe that they really are like animals.

Later, the politician was about to show his supporters that his prove of showing that anthros are nothing more than just animals, after my villian perfected the device. But then it went wrong, the device not only made the anthros go wild but the remaining humans too and the politician got paralyzed so he couldn't do anything to do little comfort the pain of his changing mind and apparently affecting him slower, while his supporters already went wild and started attacking each other and other people outisde that are just like them now. Then my Villian Stu showed up and explained to him about his entire plan. He said to the politician, that he was an idiot for trusting an alien creature to help him, but also admitted that even if the politician refused, he'll just simply kill him and make it look like the anthros that are against him and his ideas did it and will just wait for the next sucker to come along. Though if he wound up killing all the debaters who believe that the changed anthros are animals then the anthros will be viewed in a negative light while he'll just work on to finish his device. Since his prime goal is to cause chaos and mayhem that will lead to many deaths but it would feel less... "fun" if he had done it that way.

My villian then explained the real reason he wanted the politician to trust him is just so he prove a point to them. He described that the word anthro is really nothing more than to describe what the changed had become and that they were always humans before and after the apocalypse. He gleefully told him that the only way that he can make the changed into wild animals is to take away the one thing that pratically everyone has, their humanity. My villian further explained that's the one thing that the debaters and haters had overlooked about the changed, because that's what everyone in the whole planet had in common; and yet they so bigoted to look pass the changed appearances that they were human all along, that's what makes the the humans like the changed, their kind. They were supposedly more lucky than the other dimesnions (stories) that anyone who changed back there had to deal with having instincts and/or catering to their animal counterpart's needs. This is what makes this dimension different from the few others that my villian had explored, the changed in this one hardly had any of those problems.

In the end, it just amuses my villian how people treat their fellow "humans" like dirt after they physically changed but not biologically nor not mentally, as well try to find ways to justify their actions like they're the good guys when they're really bad guys, even if they think they had to "pretend" to be one for the "greater good." Before he left, my villian told the politician that the whole "wild animal" thing is mostly fuelled by rage and desired, which should be over in the next day, but the politician and the others will still act like animals afterwards. Then my villian advises if the politician is still kind of himself after today then he should rethink this about what makes an animal different from a human. With that said my villian left dimension, satisfied with the fact that he had caused chaos that should have killed many people in the chaos as well as messing with a man's morality. Even if someone in that dimension did find a way to fix this, with a note he intentionally left behind, the damage has already been done and the experiment is finished. My villian has a new invention he could try on his next TF victims should they have another willpower to resist their change and brainwashing.


Okay so now here's the thing that I want to discuss. Yes, it is the "how far do you want the mental TF to go" question, but it is also a discussion about how much does the TF basically changes the victims biologically and how far is into it that it will mostly feel too wrong for you? Most of the time I think I read and heard that they have to eat the same way that the animal's whose DNA they share with now, and I think it's rare when a person can do both like most anthros/morphs do. So basically 3 main type questions:
1. What do you think of this bad guy plan, it's really evil isn't it? So do you want me to delve a bit deeper about the premise of this plan or are there flaws?
2. Mental changes and instinct, I mostly believe that the whole instinct bit is really the person's own way of how they perceive the animal they turned into. How much of a mental change is considered too much that they're no longer a person anymore? Can instincts be controlled or even nonexistant?
3. How much of a biological change, whether it be from magic or science, does a TF victim to an anthro normally go for you? To just very little like certain food taste better while everything is the same when they used to be fully human, or so much that they have to change their life to accomadate that change, like a dog girl can't eat chocolate anymore because it will poison her now despite the fact that her body is mostly human shape?

[Amahain]

Originally Posted by jolem

1. What do you think of this bad guy plan, it's really evil isn't it? So do you want me to delve a bit deeper about the premise of this plan or are there flaws?

From what I can gather, Stu seems kind of like a Mister Mxyzptlk sort of character. There are no flaws in the plan because there isn't really much of a plan to begin with: it's basically, "mess with humans and see how they react", unless I misunderstood Stu's motivation entirely.

2. Mental changes and instinct, I mostly believe that the whole instinct bit is really the person's own way of how they perceive the animal they turned into. How much of a mental change is considered too much that they're no longer a person anymore? Can instincts be controlled or even nonexistant?

Humans control their instincts all the time and certain non-human animals (eg. dogs) can be trained to control their instincts as well. For the purposes of this story, I can imagine a character continuing to act human and resisting the urge to, say, chase cars and bark at strangers.

As for the question of how far you can go with the mental change while retaining the character's identity, I'd say that a character must continue to be able to have coherent thoughts about herself and her situation. She might have new instincts, but she would have to recognise them as compulsions to do things that she wouldn't normally do.

3. How much of a biological change, whether it be from magic or science, does a TF victim to an anthro normally go for you? To just very little like certain food taste better while everything is the same when they used to be fully human, or so much that they have to change their life to accomadate that change, like a dog girl can't eat chocolate anymore because it will poison her now despite the fact that her body is mostly human shape?

If I were writing the story, I'd probably have it so that a radical change in diet is part of the overall TF, but I don't really have a strong preference either way.

[jolem]

Originally Posted by Amahain

From what I can gather, Stu seems kind of like a Mister Mxyzptlk sort of character. There are no flaws in the plan because there isn't really much of a plan to begin with: it's basically, "mess with humans and see how they react", unless I misunderstood Stu's motivation entirely.

I guess I'd better explained why he felt more satisfied from tricking some guy then just caring out his usual plan of making that device and testing it on them. Well, pretty much I think part of the motivation is him going through The Dark Knight's Joker route of showing deep down that everyone is like him or something, but it's more of showing that to actual bad guys or knight templars who honestly believed that they were good guys rather than everyone else.

Originally Posted by Amahain

Humans control their instincts all the time and certain non-human animals (eg. dogs) can be trained to control their instincts as well. For the purposes of this story, I can imagine a character continuing to act human and resisting the urge to, say, chase cars and bark at strangers.

As for the question of how far you can go with the mental change while retaining the character's identity, I'd say that a character must continue to be able to have coherent thoughts about herself and her situation. She might have new instincts, but she would have to recognise them as compulsions to do things that she wouldn't normally do.

Yeah that's almost how it was like in this world. Though I still kind of wonder if that of thing is what we expect from animals rather than something they would really normally. *shrugs* Oh well, I'll never know if there's even a distinction between those moments.

Good, good answer. Nice thought.

Originally Posted by Amahain

If I were writing the story, I'd probably have it so that a radical change in diet is part of the overall TF, but I don't really have a strong preference either way.

Okay, but I always wonder why is it always the diet thing whenever one becomes half animal. Can't they just have still eat normally like they used to do or does it just take away a bit more of the "half animal-ness?"

[LostHopeOfDusk]

Humans do have instincts, the device could just amplify them to the point they would be very hard to control, as when someone is under a lot off pressure and then , without a way out, the person snaps. That will add to the villain argument, as even when doing these things, they where still themselves, they could have keep control if they really wanted to stop. That way the humans will feel even worse...

[jolem]

Ah, I didn't think of it that way, it also goes into his point about rethinking the differences between an animal and a human. Although the way you explain about how humans control their instincts and how the device just amplify them reminded me of this comic.

[LostHopeOfDusk]

I you ever do the story, I want to read it...