Cautionary message about Amazon Eve

[Sour Oblivion]

THE FOLLOWING IS MY OPINION AND IS NOT MEANT TO BE PRESENTED AS INCONTROVERTIBLE FACT.

Surgery and hormone treatments do not change a person's gender. That "Y" chromosome does not magically change to "X". So because this person is still genetically male, I refer to him as "he". I'm simply speaking the truth. A man who tries to make himself appear as feminine as possible through surgery, hormone treatments, make-up, women's clothing, etc. is still a man.

[Him]

Originally Posted by Sour Oblivion

Surgery and hormone treatments do not change a person's gender. That "Y" chromosome does not magically change to "X". So because this person is still genetically male, I refer to him as "he". I'm simply speaking the truth. A man who tries to make himself appear as feminine as possible through surgery, hormone treatments, make-up, women's clothing, etc. is still a man.

It's a very arbitrary thing, gender. To try to define a person's gender through genetics is in no way more valid than doing so through appearances and physical attributes.

[Crinos]

Dear Sour Oblivion: Sit and spin.

I was classmates and friends with a transgendered person in College, and she was a very sweet girl (as well as a dependable classmate; we were actually project partners in my Thomas Mallory Class).

So don't rag on transgendered folks around me buster, cause I aint havin it.

Also: Considering some of the weird ass stuff that gets posted on this site, you've got some nerve bitching about this sort of thing.

[mercury01]

Originally Posted by Sour Oblivion

Surgery and hormone treatments do not change a person's gender. That "Y" chromosome does not magically change to "X". So because this person is still genetically male, I refer to him as "he". I'm simply speaking the truth. A man who tries to make himself appear as feminine as possible through surgery, hormone treatments, make-up, women's clothing, etc. is still a man.

Reeeeeeally.

Then how do you account for Kleinfelter's syndrome? Androgen insensitivity syndrome? XX Male Syndrome? Intersexuality?

Think before you say someone can or cannot be something as ambiguously defined as male or female.

[Rachel Bronwyn]

This isn't a matter of deception whatsoever. Eve is presenting herself as a woman because that's exactly what she is. The minor fact she's biologically male will never come into play, whether you buy her products of not. She isn't going to whip out her dick, as she hasn't got one.

It's the folks who are bothered by the fact she once had male genitals or that she has a Y chromosome that need to get over themselves. If those are the sorts of things that matter to someone, I really have no time for them. The only people who have any business knowing a detail as unimportant and personal as her biological sex are the people she engages in relationships with. It's not her job to pander to the general public's homophobia though.

If her being "dishonest" about her biological sex was somehow hurting customers, I too would be rallying for her to identify as a biological male. It's not though. People are allowing their homophobia to override the situation. That's not her problem. It's theirs. If you're attracted to her physically and you think she's a lovely person, embrace the fact you're attracted to someone who used to have male genitals. If a Y chromosome can override all those legitimate feelings, well, that's shallow as hell.

Originally Posted by Sour Oblivion

Surgery and hormone treatments do not change a person's gender. That "Y" chromosome does not magically change to "X".

Good thing gender has nothing to do with biology, eh? Sex is defined by chromosomes. Gender is another issue entirely and is a matter of psychology.

So because this person is still genetically male, I refer to him as "he". I'm simply speaking the truth. A man who tries to make himself appear as feminine as possible through surgery, hormone treatments, make-up, women's clothing, etc. is still a man.

No, they're a biological male whose gender is female. Pronouns refer to gender, not sex. By refering to someone whose gender does not correlate to the socially appropriate sex as the gender that typically is associated with their biology, you give their biology precident of their mind and reinforce the harmful belief gender is defined by biology. It's shallow.

[LK]

Originally Posted by Rachel Bronwyn

Good thing gender has nothing to do with biology, eh? Sex is defined by chromosomes. Gender is another issue entirely and is a matter of psychology.

I didn't want to touch up on every aspect of your well-written post, but I did want to comment on this one bit: asking people to make that distinction is asking too much of people. That's the first time I've heard someone put it that way. Is it right? Probably, yeah. Do people care? Leaning towards no, except to those who want to profess at the ignorance and prejudice of others.

I don't look at a person and separate gender and sex into two different considerations. It's a lot of work!