The Incredible Growing Peach.

Kyu · 12-20-2005

*sigh*

You're correct that people can have different opinions with regards to art. But this is a privately-owned site, which means that there is only one standard that matters. That's Lorekeep. And he's had his say (a sentiment with which I agree).

Additionally, when the issue is quality, there is a certain amount of objective analysis that can still go into the evaluation of work. Take a look at Skiff's stuff over in the BE area, for example, and then look at Link's pieces. It's just incomparable. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's true. And if you have, as you claim, such high standards, Link's current work shouldn't really pass muster as a high-quality piece of work based on artistic merit alone.

That isn't to say there aren't other factors involved. Link obviously has a desire to contribute, and contribute in quantity, which is good. But then it goes back to my earlier point - being a privately-owned site, there is a minimum-level of quality required, which it has been determined this piece lacks.

Also, your ability to judge the merits of this work are suspect given that much of the early part of the work directly concerns your particular fetish focus. Think of it as if you were looking at a story - many growth stories focus on clothes-ripping, but are just complete crap. No writing ability, poor prose, bad grammar/syntax, complete lack of characterization/plot advancement, and so on and so forth. Solely because you identify with the spirit of an endeavor doesn't mean the endeavor itself is quality work.

And then just claiming you have high standards but a different point of view is meaningless - if you for example were to like one of those stories, you would like something that is crap. That's not high standards with a different point of view, that's LOW standards that are that low because you're willing to compromise on quality as long as a work matches your fetish, which is what I'm guessing is the case here.

Sutibaru · 12-21-2005

AS an artist, if a peson who puts out artwork that is less quality than a quick doodle of mine and is cheered for it, kinda offenses me. As an artist of a bit higher quality, I put time into drawings that sometimes get less compliments than what has been here. And for what, total anatomical mistakes or the low quality of the background?

It just has a low quality growth and people go crazy for it. Geez. ^_^

Just get a bit better at art Link, then I am alright with it.

12-21-2005

Need I remind you all that this "art" serves no purpose other than making us horny and having something to jack off to?

I swear, you are taking this too seriously. We're fetishits, not museum curators.

Jumba · 12-21-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by agustinaldo

Need I remind you all that this "art" serves no purpose other than making us horny and having something to jack off to?

I swear, you are taking this too seriously. We're fetishits, not museum curators.

That maybe how you see the world but don't generalise everyone on the forum unless you personally know all of us.

12-21-2005

Well, assuming EVERYONE see what is posted in this board as "art" IS generalizing, too.

Sutibaru · 12-21-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by agustinaldo

Need I remind you all that this "art" serves no purpose other than making us horny and having something to jack off to?

I swear, you are taking this too seriously. We're fetishits, not museum curators.

You make me sick. You have made a huge enemy today, boy.

12-21-2005

I'm not trying to be nasty, I'm just being realist.

You know what makes ME sick? People like Lorekeep, that feel the need to trash the fine material of LinkG07 just because he/she doesn't like it, and even calls those who like it "immature" and "stupid".

Sutibaru · 12-21-2005

In a realistic sense, my artwork with process material is a hobby. A person can admire it, or get a laugh, or perhapse they can jack-off to it. In a realistic sense, my artwork is a hobby of mine. It is not porn unless it is used it as porn.

I advise you to hold your tongue next time. And I mean by typing. Have you ever heared of Art critics? They can choose if they like the artwork and name out the quality of the art. Lorekeep can critique on the art that being posted on his own forum.

12-21-2005

Yes, she criticized the artwork, but she also demanded that it be taken off the site, and insulted those who like it. That's just mean.

And yes, your material may be art, but it's no trying to compete with Picasso or Renoir, which I'm afraid Lorekeep thinks it's the case.

And when poor, downtrotten guys like LinkG07 gets pushed around, I feel the need to speak up.

LK · 12-21-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by agustinaldo

I'm not trying to be nasty, I'm just being realist.

You know what makes ME sick? People like Lorekeep, that feel the need to trash the fine material of LinkG07 just because he/she doesn't like it, and even calls those who like it "immature" and "stupid".

Good. Don't come back. You can enjoy your "fine material" elsewhere.

WipeoutXL · 12-21-2005

hi im a long time lurker of the process and a long time artist myself and i know that if we dont encourge more material from the ppl that post here what good is having it ppl are entitled to their opinion. I think link has done a good job and think he atleasts deserves the chance to get better...if we are totaly badmouthing and artist weither good or bad then where are we gonna get material..and i know for a fact ppl do appreicate new content weither its good or bad...link keep up the good work hope to see more of your stuff

Ninja In The Night · 12-24-2005

Look, everyone, I've been watching this thread from day one. Link, your a good artist, just keep working on it, & try to redo the comic when your a bit better, also, Lorekeep, I'm not trying to go against you or anything, but we do need to encourage new artists into the fray since we seem to be losing the old. Quality vs Quantity is usually an arguement here. But this kid's got good potential if he takes a few art classes. As for everyone trying to explain themselves here, don't. Take a page out of "Crazy Ol' Brit's" book & step back & look at what the situation has become. We've lost a member of the board because of this. Now, I don't care if I get banned for speaking my mind, but I am getting tired of seeing the same ol' mangas. Link was a nice change of pace & showed me that new artists are at least taking an interest. We don't want the growth community to end up like another Dr. Quatro site, do we? Link, I also ask if you would share the comic in an email or something with me. Cause it's killing me to find out what happens next. Keep working on it, & soon you can be your own living legend. Lorekeep, I know it must be extremely frustrating with the holidays & having to keep us board lurkers in check, but please, take it easy. & as for Jumba, I applaud you sir, you have shown a maturity not seen for awhile in this forum. That's my 1 & 1/2 cents...

12-20-2005	#1
Kyu Guinness... Brilliant! Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 141	sigh You're correct that people can have different opinions with regards to art. But this is a privately-owned site, which means that there is only one standard that matters. That's Lorekeep. And he's had his say (a sentiment with which I agree). Additionally, when the issue is quality, there is a certain amount of objective analysis that can still go into the evaluation of work. Take a look at Skiff's stuff over in the BE area, for example, and then look at Link's pieces. It's just incomparable. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's true. And if you have, as you claim, such high standards, Link's current work shouldn't really pass muster as a high-quality piece of work based on artistic merit alone. That isn't to say there aren't other factors involved. Link obviously has a desire to contribute, and contribute in quantity, which is good. But then it goes back to my earlier point - being a privately-owned site, there is a minimum-level of quality required, which it has been determined this piece lacks. Also, your ability to judge the merits of this work are suspect given that much of the early part of the work directly concerns your particular fetish focus. Think of it as if you were looking at a story - many growth stories focus on clothes-ripping, but are just complete crap. No writing ability, poor prose, bad grammar/syntax, complete lack of characterization/plot advancement, and so on and so forth. Solely because you identify with the spirit of an endeavor doesn't mean the endeavor itself is quality work. And then just claiming you have high standards but a different point of view is meaningless - if you for example were to like one of those stories, you would like something that is crap. That's not high standards with a different point of view, that's LOW standards that are that low because you're willing to compromise on quality as long as a work matches your fetish, which is what I'm guessing is the case here. Last edited by Kyu; 12-20-2005 at 11:30 PM.

12-21-2005	#2
Sutibaru --- Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,865	AS an artist, if a peson who puts out artwork that is less quality than a quick doodle of mine and is cheered for it, kinda offenses me. As an artist of a bit higher quality, I put time into drawings that sometimes get less compliments than what has been here. And for what, total anatomical mistakes or the low quality of the background? It just has a low quality growth and people go crazy for it. Geez. ^_^ Just get a bit better at art Link, then I am alright with it. __________________ Deviantart\|FurAffinity\|Tumblr\|Picarto

12-21-2005	#8
Sutibaru --- Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,865	In a realistic sense, my artwork with process material is a hobby. A person can admire it, or get a laugh, or perhapse they can jack-off to it. In a realistic sense, my artwork is a hobby of mine. It is not porn unless it is used it as porn. I advise you to hold your tongue next time. And I mean by typing. Have you ever heared of Art critics? They can choose if they like the artwork and name out the quality of the art. Lorekeep can critique on the art that being posted on his own forum. __________________ Deviantart\|FurAffinity\|Tumblr\|Picarto

12-21-2005	#11
WipeoutXL Lurker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21	hello im a long time lurker hi im a long time lurker of the process and a long time artist myself and i know that if we dont encourge more material from the ppl that post here what good is having it ppl are entitled to their opinion. I think link has done a good job and think he atleasts deserves the chance to get better...if we are totaly badmouthing and artist weither good or bad then where are we gonna get material..and i know for a fact ppl do appreicate new content weither its good or bad...link keep up the good work hope to see more of your stuff

12-24-2005	#12
Ninja In The Night Knight Of The Black Sword Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In the forgotten era of man... Posts: 418	Time for my 1 & a half cents. Look, everyone, I've been watching this thread from day one. Link, your a good artist, just keep working on it, & try to redo the comic when your a bit better, also, Lorekeep, I'm not trying to go against you or anything, but we do need to encourage new artists into the fray since we seem to be losing the old. Quality vs Quantity is usually an arguement here. But this kid's got good potential if he takes a few art classes. As for everyone trying to explain themselves here, don't. Take a page out of "Crazy Ol' Brit's" book & step back & look at what the situation has become. We've lost a member of the board because of this. Now, I don't care if I get banned for speaking my mind, but I am getting tired of seeing the same ol' mangas. Link was a nice change of pace & showed me that new artists are at least taking an interest. We don't want the growth community to end up like another Dr. Quatro site, do we? Link, I also ask if you would share the comic in an email or something with me. Cause it's killing me to find out what happens next. Keep working on it, & soon you can be your own living legend. Lorekeep, I know it must be extremely frustrating with the holidays & having to keep us board lurkers in check, but please, take it easy. & as for Jumba, I applaud you sir, you have shown a maturity not seen for awhile in this forum. That's my 1 & 1/2 cents... Last edited by Ninja In The Night; 12-24-2005 at 08:22 AM.

12-21-2005	#3
agustinaldo Guest Posts: n/a	Need I remind you all that this "art" serves no purpose other than making us horny and having something to jack off to? I swear, you are taking this too seriously. We're fetishits, not museum curators.