McCain bashed by Paris Hilton

[shadowfox586]

Originally Posted by TrunKated

Not with thre crippling costs of food and energy now. We went from a surplus to debt. People are being crushed by job loss, high costs, and expensive credit. I feel the pain every day, and I have a pretty good job.

Must be nice to be independently wealthy, like you, dude.

Unless he/she has already stated that he or she is wealthy, thats quite a speculation. And Gender hazzard said that times are tough, its just not caused by the war. Credit and jobloss have nothing to do with the war. And dont say that im not hurting, because i just went four weeks with no work and drive 50 miles to my school.

Originally Posted by TrunKated

Again, I think most people on earth except warmongers would agree war is not justifiable except as direct self defense. Do you beat people up in bars because they look at you funny, dude? Are you that type? Do you decide that your neighbor is hiding a shotgun so you break into his house and kill his pets and maybe his brother? I really don't understand your violent attitude?

Thats not entirely fair. Iraq didnt look funny at someone, and hiding a shot gun in your house is legal. We had evidence, confirmed by MI6 MI5 and other intelligence agencies by the way, that they had WMDs. If you think thats a forgery, thats speculation, but speculation is fine. Maybe your right, and it was forged and they somehow had the ability to pay off those agencies. But the UN never said 'you cant investigate this is a forgery' which is a legitimate reason to say no, they just said. 'oh thats nice. No.'

And Hussain isnt just your neighbor, hes more like your neighbor with six attempts at murdering his neighbors with a shotgun (His previous attempts to invade other countries). Now you susspect he has a shotgun(WMD). What do you do? call the police. Who was supposed to police this guy? the UN. And we went to them saying 'we think he has this here. can you check for us?' and they said no.

Does this mean we break into the house to take this guy out first? Ill admit, im not entirely sold on that, but if your neighbor had six attempted murders, you call the cops you saw that he has a new gun that hes not supposed to have and they dont give a damn, what DO you do? The problem with your self defence only policy means that you wait until people are killed before you do anything.

Though i will state again i was not for the war and that there should have been other steps taken, i think the very poor handling from the UN is as much to blame as anyone else for us having to invade.

Originally Posted by TrunKated

No, I am just trying to understand why people support death and destruction. I really don't get it. Sure, it's fine in defense. Someone threatens me or my family and I'm there! But a pre-emptive war? How about I decide the guy on the next block might some day steal my bike? Should I fake evidence and then kill him?

Again, he wasnt stealing bikes, he was killing people. And if you think someone is going to steal your bike, you go to the police... you know how this goes now.

And 'If someone threatens my family and im there' Is that only for your family? what if your around when someone is pointing a gun at a random person on the street, do you not care because it wasnt your family? He was killing people, but it wasnt Americans at the moment so we should have ignored it?

And also, Hussain has threatened the Bush family and tried to kill them before, so according to you he has just cause....

Originally Posted by loliknowrite

oh, a good old political showdown. let me slaughter all your sacred cows. the war was wring, obama is in the pocket of corporate interests, people are dying each day thanks to bush, the middle east is justified in their hatred of us, McCain is a puppet figurehead, the Jerry Falwell/billy graham crowd controls over half of american through religious brainwashing and self destructive Armageddon focused campaigns of fear and bigotry, your elected officials don't give a flying fuck about you, unless you hold some money over their heads. people are petty, vicious and irredeemable, god is dead, the universe is dying, compassion has killed evolution and science has doomed us all.

Other than the Middle east is justified thing ( because their hatred is not from the war and regaurdless of that should not hate everyone in a nation for what they feel a few indiduals are doing to them, thats like hating all *insert race or religous group here* because one person from that group beat you up and took your lunch money. DAMN YOU BIFF!) I have to agree with your post, and ask for permission to use it in any political debate i enter into. it sums things up rather nicely.... Quick and to the point.

[Hellstromm, Son of Satan]

Of course guys like genderhazard and shadowfox exist. After all, Bush DID get re-elected, right?

EVERYONE ELSE is sick of it. EVERYONE ELSE is too smart to let Dubya and his choir of boot-lickers brainwash him/her. EVERYONE ELSE knows that they are killing innocent women, children and assorted civilians because they are Muslim (and, according to genderhazard's way of mind, if they are Muslim then they MUST be terrorists). EVERYONE ELSE knows this "war" is just genoceide fueled by xenophobia, racism and intolerance. And guess what? EVERYONE ELSE is sick of it. That's why Obama is a shoo-in winner: he wants to end this mess once and for all.

[genderhazard]

Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, TrunKated? The Military has a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for "innocent" and you curse the President. You have that luxury.

You have the luxury of not knowing what he knows: That those "innocent" deaths, while tragic, probably ultimately saved American lives. And his actions, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want a stong Commander-in-Cheif in the White House. You need them there.

Words like:
honor,
code,
loyalty,
patriotism...

These words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.

I'd prefer you just said "thank your service" and went on your way.

Originally Posted by Hellstromm, Son of Satan

According to genderhazard's way of mind, if they are Muslim then they MUST be terrorists.

There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on niggers, kikes, wop or greasers, because you are all equally worthless. Do you understand?"

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of freedom , then questions the manner in which it is provided.

Because I am hard, you will not like me. But the more you hate me, the more you will learn. I am hard, but I am fair!

But until that day you are pukes! You're the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human fucking beings! You are nothing but unorganized grabasstic pieces of amphibian shit!

EVERYONE ELSE knows this "war" is just genoceide fueled by xenophobia, racism and intolerance. And guess what? EVERYONE ELSE is sick of it. That's why Obama is a shoo-in winner: he wants to end this mess once and for all.

Hell, I like you. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister.


greatly lifted from a few good men and full metal jacket

sure, shadowfox, you don't even have to attribute me, if you don't like. spell check before copy pasting though >_>

and honestly, obama is about even in the polls with mccain. people tend to forget that America is a strongly center-right nation, and that obama would be the third democrat since 1963 assuming he IS elected.

i think now we get to see how afraid Americans truly are of change or at least how uninformed they are when they're ready to vote for a white guy that wants to continue shooting arabs and burning more oil as though they were the only options we have left in this world. a man who is only vaguely aware that the internet even exists. but who cares when the alternative is another one of those tax raising demmy-crats who want's crazy things like progressive energy policy, and change in the world of politics. but worst of all, he's black! oh fuck! what if he decides that he wants to get revenge on the wite folks for enslaving the niggers?!!?!? he'll have us lined up and shot, the commie motherfucker!!!!


Americans are really really dumb. they can't even manage to retain things they learned after high school. the vast majority of jobs out there that the people are working are ridiculously easy, mostly typified by filling out paperwork and transporting forms to and fro, having meetings in which everyone's personal social dysfunction collide in a small and sweaty room. and yet employers want a piece of paper that tells them that these employees wasted their time and money going to college and somehow managed to, through the haze of narcotics, pass enough classes to graduate.

er, sorry, i'm feeling rather pessimistic lately

[TrunKated]

to shadowfox586 = Sorry, dude, there was a lot of conflicting evidence about whether they had WMD or not. And even if they did, they were not AQ. They hated AQ. And with or without WMD they were contained and not a threat. Do you know how many countries have WMD? You know, it doesn't matter if it's a delusion about stealing a bike or shooting someone or WMD, it's still a delusion. Or rather a massive LIE! When evidence has to be cherry picked and manipulated to support a preemptive invasion, you know it's wrong. When the inspectors are on the ground doing their jobs, but W suddenly ups and pulls them out so he can have his war, you know something is wrong. When SH started cooperating and letting the inspectors in to formerly off-limits places, but W lies and says that SH wouldn't let them in, you know something is wrong.

to genderhazard, you are in an extreme state of delusion of you think a preemptive war against the wrong country saved any ones lives. Sorry to say it. Tell that to our brave soldiers who were killed in an illegal occupation of a pathetic little country that was no threat to us. Over 4000 now, right? And that doesn't count the soldiers they ship out to die in German hospitals or on the way so they can keep the number down. And tell that to the 100,000 or so dead Iraqi civilians. Tell that to the Americans and Iraqi who are dying of DU pollution. Do you think Imperialism and genocidal behavior engenders good relations around the world. It's good to have a strong defense to counter threats. MAD worked in the cold war. If we have a reasonably good defense, it acts as a deterrent, I understand. To abuse our power, leads to very nasty things.

You know, there is so much to truth to the lyrics "War, huh, yeah - What is it good for - Absolutely nothing"

To loli! k? NOW, rite?

They are close in the polls so you have a good point. On the other hand, Obama has been maintaining a several point lead really. I am surprised it isn't larger though. But it's hard with the conservative media attacking you so often.

http://realclearpolitics.com/

[shadowfox586]

Originally Posted by Hellstromm, Son of Satan

Of course guys like genderhazard and shadowfox exist. After all, Bush DID get re-elected, right?

Just so you know, i never voted for Bush. I was too young in the first election and so did no even pay attention to any politics what so ever. The second election I voted for Karry because i thought, like you, he would simply 'end' an unjust war. Looking at him now, im actually glad he wasnt elected, the guy is crazy and even the other democrats dont want anything to do with the guy.

And as i have said before, im undecided so far in this election, though yes im leaning towards McCain at the moment. Though my vote in that regard would be irrelevant, I live in California and this states electoral votes will go to Obama. So by the end of this election i will either decide to go with Obama (which im not too far off from doing, but not there yet) or my vote will amount to nothing anyway.

Originally Posted by loliknowrite

... er, sorry, i'm feeling rather pessimistic lately

Part of me wants to argue that were not mostly idiots and a majority of us do know what were supposed to, but i cant. Ive delt with too many idiots in my short time here and i know a majority of us fit in with your description. Im trying to learn everything i can on the subject of my major, and when i get my BA soon i will continue school for my masters, not for a piece of paper from some guy saying 'YAY! your smart now!' but to learn more on the subject that i love. I might not even complete my masters, but just the classes that i enjoy and are for my field of interest, which include classes that are not just 'for' my major, like language classes. I love learning new languages.
I wish i could say that most other people i know in college are the same, but like you say, they seem more interested in partying than learning, some i know dont even give a crap about their major!

The one thing I will argue though is that people fear Obama because he is Black. Out of the few people i know here who would prefer McCain, not one of them attribute race to their reasons. Thats not to say everyone is as level headed in their decision, there are plenty of racists out there who clutch at their hate, but i dont think they are in the majority. At the beginning of this thing, when it was still Hillary vs Obama, i actually wanted Obama to go all the way to the WH, the only few reasons im leaning the other way now is i dont like a lot of his policies on business. If he were to drop the windfall tax thing, because it wont work, and a few of his other policies, id be leaning left again, maybe going with him completely.

And yes i should have spell checked, sorry about that >.<
It was late and i was tired and lazy....

[Sephie]

I refuse to believe in the media, not conservative, liberal, nor penguin.

But seriously the media is centrist sensationalistic. People on either side always see it through their bias as being on the other side of the devide that it stradles.

[genderhazard]

Originally Posted by shadowfox586

Just so you know, i never voted for Bush.

I never voted for Bush either.

[Sephie]

Originally Posted by genderhazard

I never voted for Bush either.

I never voted for either Bush.

[shadowfox586]

Originally Posted by Herr Onymous-Bosch

I refuse to believe in the media, not conservative, liberal, nor penguin.

But seriously the media is centrist sensationalistic. People on either side always see it through their bias as being on the other side of the devide that it stradles.

Yep. I listen to the right wing media and the left wing media to try to balance it out. My friend once told me he listens to the unbiased media... I informed him thats an oxymoron and impossibility.

Though i never watch fox news. They go beyond biased, they treat their opinions as facts. That, and most of em are either crazy, racist or both. That lady who called Obamas fist bump with his wife a 'terrorist fist bump'... I dont know how people can watch that crazy shit.

[Sephie]

They blink only as neccessary and keep their eyes open and aimed at the television screan.

[Hellstromm, Son of Satan]

Originally Posted by genderhazard

I never voted for Bush either.

Then why do you repeat Bush's tired spiel like a broken record?

Where ARE those Weapons of Mass Destruction?

What about Guantanamo Bay?

Tell me, where is Osama anyway? Why can't your (sarcasm) heroes (sarcasm) find him?

Care to explain why, when Bush visited Argentina, they had to shut down the city so the natives won't KILL him (come to thinkof, they'd kill you too if they heard your biased "opinions")?