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[Sutibaru]

Originally Posted by TF-Viewer

I'm sure it's not something he's actually given thought to, if asked I doubt he could come up with any justification or reasoning behind it. He just doesn't want to post female TFs because he knows it will piss off people at The Process. Anything he says as to why he feels female TFs are dehumanizing and male TFs are not would only be complete bullshit.

I would have to agree. It only looks sexist if you analyze more meaning into the comment than it was intended. It's pretty much a lame reason to hate the process other than why he just doesn't like us through personal reasons. Eh, whatever. Although I could say he can do whatever he likes with the site, it is also owned by Stonegate. I could be wrong though.

[Drachen]

I think there is an additional dimension to this that a lot of people are missing. Female TF fans are generally fans of sexually explicit material. If the people he's been associated with in the past (like Lizardman) are any indication, Dragonaide doesn't like sexually explicit TF work. I won't bother to speculate on his reasons, but I do know that a lot of the people who don't like erotic TF work consider it to be destroying the fandom and driving away those scared off by erotic material.

This means that in their minds, The Process and all its denizens are destroying the fandom and popular erotic TF artists are destroying the fandom. Therefore, they are doing something bad and worthy of contempt. Arania is a particularly big target for them not just because she's a very popular artist who does erotic work. I think the bigger issue is that much of her work is considered to be of mediocre quality and she gets a lot of *paid commissions* for it. That really sticks in the craw of a guy who complains that his own site isn't getting enough donations.

I don't know that I've ever seen Dragonaide interested in erotic male TF stuff as some have claimed here. Most of the material I've seen him display are commissions of the dragon version of himself. Some of it is unintentionally suggestive, but the rest looks more like self-aggrandizement fantasies than erotica.

[CyberFox]

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[Sutibaru]

Originally Posted by Drachen

Female TF fans are generally fans of sexually explicit material....I don't know that I've ever seen Dragonaide interested in erotic male TF stuff as some have claimed here.

I hardly think the gender of your interest determines how you like the material. I do not think anyone claimed the art he is interested in is erotic. It also comes down to what defines something as erotic. If there is sexual imagery in it, nudity, or even the subject of TF in itself. Not that we can negotiate this.

[Drachen]

Originally Posted by Sutibaru

I hardly think the gender of your interest determines how you like the material. I do not think anyone claimed the art he is interested in is erotic. It also comes down to what defines something as erotic. If there is sexual imagery in it, nudity, or even the subject of TF in itself. Not that we can negotiate this.

True, but the two are often found together. More to the point, they are often found here, or at least that's what many perceive. I wasn't trying to classify us so much as deconstruct Dragonaide's dislike of this site, female TF fans and Arania in particular. I know that others, like Lizardman and Eala Dubh, use reasoning similar to what I outlined.

I guess I misinterpreted the comment about male TF. "Promotes objectification/dehumanization of women" is used most often to criticize pornography. I guess I misread "dehumanization of males" as a counter-accusation. Sorry.

[Mr GorpThorp]

Stonegate used to have fiction on his site a long while back- it was good until it became all clips of stuff.

I have to disagree that this age of online is better than before- the the golden years there was more freedom, with a capital free.

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by Mr GorpThorp

Stonegate used to have fiction on his site a long while back- it was good until it became all clips of stuff.

I have to disagree that this age of online is better than before- the the golden years there was more freedom, with a capital free.

Yes, that's right, freedom in internet today is more limited than ever. But I was talking about quantity and quality of TF-stuff. As I said, there were incredibly good artists in the past, but today there are many good artists .

[blackvelvetrpg]

Originally Posted by Magugag

EDIT: Oh, and just mildly curious, when it was said that Dragoniade holds a grudge against 'our kind', did that mean female TF enthusiasts?

No.Basically he holds a serious grudge against 4 Process members .
You and I might be "Process trolls" but these days everyone and their
in law is a troll,so big deal.

He's not to easy to get along with but basically he hates it when
the Process method is used to create pornographic smut of the
female form.