"Bitches" Werewolf TV series

[Dr. Otto]

Originally Posted by Soty

Yeah, just like Simpsons, Family Guy, and Futurama, Star Wars, the Alien series, etc, etc, etc.

SIMPSONS, under Fox's current management, has degenerated into crap (although it's also a show that's way past its prime, regardless of who's in charge now). The same applies for every other example you've cited, or do I need to mention the Star Wars prequel trilogy, Alien vs. Predator, etc. etc. etc.?

[Duke]

Originally Posted by Dr. Otto

It's from 20th Century Fox. Expect shit.

Precisely.

[DrT]

Originally Posted by no-name

It's FOX, sooo....

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a TV series, but should FOX be the one to do it? As far as "answering questions", I think they're a little behind the curve on that one, huh?

FOX is probably hosting two of the best drama series on TV today in House and Fringe. Plus, some of their cancelled shows have been pretty good. So, I think FOX might be more than capable of putting a great show on the air. (Although, I was under the impression the show was slated for FX.) I can't remember the last show on ABC or NBC that I've watched and aside from CSI and CSI:NY (not Miami though), CBS is pretty lacking as well.

Although, I'd have to say I don't expect much in the way of process. I think we'll see some fangs, some mussed up hair, yellow eyes, maybe some claws growing and maybe, just maybe an ear or two. But that's all I'll expect.

Maybe the anti-Fox angle is really an anti-broadcast TV angle and you want the show on HBO or Showtime or something like that. Especially considering the possibility of a more graphic TF (meaning nudity), but even then I'd almost guarantee that the process would still suck. Face it. They don't know or care about the TF community. They wonder why werewolf movies and shows fail and it's a simple case of not giving the people what they want.

Look at it this way. We're essentially "experts" at the TF genre here. We know what works and what doesn't. Chances are if we smell something bad about a TF themed production, the non-TF community will as well. The difference is that they won't know why it stinks. The non-TF community won't believe a TF story if they don't actually see the TF. We at least know how to fill in the blanks. They can't. Movies and TV producers have to realize that, but never will. Why do you think American Werewolf in London successfully crossed-over aside from being a solid movie? The TF scene was believable. If they threw a cheesy TF in there, no way would people have enjoyed the film as much because they would never have connected David and the wolf.

I'm interested in seeing if "Bitches" ever makes it to our TVs and of course I'll watch. But I have a feeling it will be yet another disappointment no matter who shows it and probably a short lived one at that.

By the way...sorry I strayed a little bit from the original point, but I had to say it.

[thrandrall]

Originally Posted by No-Man

I'd hardly call werewolf stuff "niche". There are a huge number of werewolf fans and they aren't all transformation fetishists.

On network TV (not cable like "scifi") - anything actually scifi is niche - unless it's watered down mainstream crap like Charmed. Something like buffy was a fluke.

[dorintf]

Sounds interesting, but Fox cancels every halfway decent show after the first season. Still sore about Firefly.

[cpt soban]

If it requires intelligence to understand, it will be canceled, that is the nature of fox.

However I have to ask, Soty, whats your beef with aliens? sure 3 and 4 arent too good, but 1 and 2 are classic.

[no-name]

Originally Posted by DrT

FOX is probably hosting two of the best drama series on TV today in House and Fringe. Plus, some of their cancelled shows have been pretty good. So, I think FOX might be more than capable of putting a great show on the air. (Although, I was under the impression the show was slated for FX.) I can't remember the last show on ABC or NBC that I've watched and aside from CSI and CSI:NY (not Miami though), CBS is pretty lacking as well.

Although, I'd have to say I don't expect much in the way of process. I think we'll see some fangs, some mussed up hair, yellow eyes, maybe some claws growing and maybe, just maybe an ear or two. But that's all I'll expect.

Maybe the anti-Fox angle is really an anti-broadcast TV angle and you want the show on HBO or Showtime or something like that. Especially considering the possibility of a more graphic TF (meaning nudity), but even then I'd almost guarantee that the process would still suck. Face it. They don't know or care about the TF community. They wonder why werewolf movies and shows fail and it's a simple case of not giving the people what they want.

Look at it this way. We're essentially "experts" at the TF genre here. We know what works and what doesn't. Chances are if we smell something bad about a TF themed production, the non-TF community will as well. The difference is that they won't know why it stinks. The non-TF community won't believe a TF story if they don't actually see the TF. We at least know how to fill in the blanks. They can't. Movies and TV producers have to realize that, but never will. Why do you think American Werewolf in London successfully crossed-over aside from being a solid movie? The TF scene was believable. If they threw a cheesy TF in there, no way would people have enjoyed the film as much because they would never have connected David and the wolf.

I'm interested in seeing if "Bitches" ever makes it to our TVs and of course I'll watch. But I have a feeling it will be yet another disappointment no matter who shows it and probably a short lived one at that.

By the way...sorry I strayed a little bit from the original point, but I had to say it.

No problem; in fact, I think you may have nailed it here!
*sigh* How the words of the "wise" (or at least fairly knowledgeable) are cast aside...
My statements regarding FOX hasn't changed; as you've mentioned, my expectations are quite low for this show right now, leaving them plenty of room to impress me.
Sure, they've made several decent shows, but they tend to be overshadowed by their other mediocre works.
As for which network should run this show, I haven't the foggiest idea.
I still don't feel FOX can handle a show like this, but I'm not exactly sure who could possibly pull it off...

[splinterfox]

I wonder if this will have skimpy transformations... Fox has near nudity in some of it's shows... Watch, this show takes off and this site becomes crowded from all of the new TF fans...

[Skalla-Grimm]

You never know. Fox managed to air a pretty good werewolf show once upon a time.

[no-name]

Originally Posted by splinterfox

I wonder if this will have skimpy transformations... Fox has near nudity in some of it's shows... Watch, this show takes off and this site becomes crowded from all of the new TF fans...

That sounds great, just as long as "Bitches" doesn't do to the TF community what "Twilight" did to the vampire fanbase....if you know what I mean.

[Tindalos60]

I'm guessing it'll air for about half a season. The episodes will be shown in seemingly random order at times, Fox will pre-empt it for specials and sports, move its time slot without advertising the fact so even the loyal watchers don't know when its on, and finally cancel it due to the resultant low ratings.

But that's just a guess.

[TF-Viewer]

Originally Posted by Tindalos60

I'm guessing it'll air for about half a season. The episodes will be shown in seemingly random order at times, Fox will pre-empt it for specials and sports, move its time slot without advertising the fact so even the loyal watchers don't know when its on, and finally cancel it due to the resultant low ratings.

But that's just a guess.

In other words "Wolf Lake" all over again...