Conservatives Hate Obama More Than They Love America

[LOD]

*facepalms*

GDP means jack shit compared to people working and bring money into their household to feed their children. Even if FDR's New Deal extended the depression it helped put soup in people's pots.

[genderhazard]

Originally Posted by Lord T Hawkeye

You currently sit at 9.5% unemployment

Unemployment Rate:
9.8% in Sep 2009

Change in Unemployment Level:
+214,000 in Sep 2009


2000 4.0%
2001 4.7%
2002 5.8%
2003 6.0%
2004 5.5%
2005 5.1%
2006 4.6%
2007 4.6%
2008 5.8%

Remember during those Bush years they keep talking about the real unemployment rate.

The real US unemployment rate is 16 percent if persons who have dropped out of the labor pool and those working less than they would like are counted, a Federal Reserve official said Wednesday. (08/27/2009)





Batman says "nothing".

Holy hoodwinked Batman!


Obama in New Orleans

"I wish I could write a blank check," Obama replied, promoting Bordenave to shout back, "Why not?"

Obama spent fewer than four hours in New Orleans before heading to San Francisco for a Democratic National Committee fundraiser.

then goes to a $30,000 a couple fundraiser.

[LostHopeOfDusk]

Well, I am angry for him getting a Nobel prize... but is not really his fault...

[kia252]

Originally Posted by Lord T Hawkeye

"Get your head out of Ron Paul's ass" is your idea of reasonable? Hilarious and entirely nonsense given that I hadn't even been quoted Ron Paul in the first place. It's one thing to resort to ad hominem attacks but it's quite another to try to and fail to get them right.

Besides, yes not all recessions are the same but that's no excuse to just entirely dismiss the whole question, that's nirvana fallacy. If we went by the theory of "any comparison that's not exact to the smallest detail is entirely invalid," we'd never learn anything.

Yes, it's very reasonable. Of course, the rest of what I have to say is too, but it's so much easier not to highlight that. I do keep in mind what else people say, and you've had no reservations about forwarding Libertarian ideology (championed recently by Ron Paul) and claiming things like it's hard to listen to Ron Paul and find anything to disagree with or about how some Ron Paul video hit the nail on the head. I have no qualms sharing my conclusions about of how you assume your argument if you aren't gonna make a good one.

All recessions not being the same is entirely a justification to question the veracity of your baseless claim that a particular variable was the sole cause, which is what I did. Nice attempt at a strawman argument (see, I can actually spot a logical fallacy instead of making one up). I have no idea what that second sentence is supposed to mean.

[qzar9999]

Originally Posted by genderhazard

Obama spent fewer than four hours in New Orleans before heading to San Francisco for a Democratic National Committee fundraiser.

then goes to a $30,000 a couple fundraiser.

That's very bad form, yes. But at least New Orleans *got* four hours. I'm on the MS Gulf Coast; a headline from a local paper a few days ago read "Obama will visit New Orleans, no plans to visit Mississippi." Got to love how the media at large seems to completely ignore Katrina hitting *here* too.

[genderhazard]

Well I know it hit there. I did clean-up in Biloxi at the hospital.

[qzar9999]

You do, yeah. But back where I'm originally from...

My wife is from Biloxi, I'm not. She moved after Katrina (we just recently moved back down here). Any time she told people this--anyone, ever, at all--the automatic response was, "Oh, you're from New Orleans then!" I blame the media: N.O. made a great weeks-long story due to the flooding and the aftermath. Biloxi got hit and the story was basically over as far as they were concerned.

Nice to hear you were involved in the clean-up effort. Bravo, sir.

[DalekSec]

And the same folks who gave you the EPIC fail after Katrina will see to your heatlhcare.

Yeah... I am so excited about this.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by liveordie83

*facepalms*

GDP means jack shit compared to people working and bring money into their household to feed their children. Even if FDR's New Deal extended the depression it helped put soup in people's pots.

Only to leave them with LESS soup in their pots in the long run plus they were the ones who took their soup in the first place. How very noble of them!

This is what Harry Brown meant when he said "Government breaks your leg and then hands you a crutch and says 'see? Without us, you couldn't walk.'"

Every time you cry out for help, they don't see a chance to do a good deed. They see a chance to seize more power which you'll happily surrender to them. But make no mistake, once you give that up, you are NOT going to get it back even when the crisis is over.

[TrunKated]

Funny, it looks to me like FDR inherited hell and helped us slowly climb
out. You can try and pretend things would have gotten better on their
own, but there is no real proof of that. And notice we've all been better
off since, except when conservatives try to shut New Deal programs
down and we see the same problems arise again. Like the current
financial crisis that arose from deregulation. In fact, it goes directly to
shutting down New Deal safeguards.

Remember, the the FDIC, Social Security, and SEC came out of FDR's
New Deal. SOCIAL FREAKIN SECURITY, DUDE! And insuring your
bank deposits! Oh, and he and his VP won the last real war too. WW2!
You know, the one against Hitler, the most evil man in the last century?
So, you can try to rewrite history all you want. The man is and always
will be a MAJOR American hero and one of our best presidents.

[DalekSec]

Actually, do not forget a little dust up called WW1 and its role in the mess. Europe was in shambles. Not much of an overseas market there and Asia was still, pretty much off the grid except as a place for the wealthy to go play.

Folks bought stock on huge lines of credit with no real way to pay for them (Sound oddly familiar?) and when the bills came due, well, not much to do but shrug and say "SOOOOOWWWWWEEEEE". Again, sound familiar?

Yes, FDR gave us the most EPIC Ponzi scheme in American history which is now about to go bust. Yes FDR closed the banks, instituted the FDIC and we see how that has worked out as thugs and race hustlers demand banks give loans to folks who have no means or intentions of paying them back. Not trying to be mean, just realistic.

Yes, I rather like Truman to be frank and would have voted for him in a heartbeat.

As for WW2, we (The Allies) came bloody close to blowing that and only Hitler's raving lunacy saved the day when he opened a two front war with Stalin and failed to have a clue on D-Day. It could, SO EASILY, have gone the other way. I would also point out that both an amazing array of military leaders (With the exception of Dugout Douglass Macarthur of course, may he rot) and the indomitable fighting spirit of the American forces along with the wild innovations of American industry and research that won that war.


(TY GH!)

[Lord T Hawkeye]

Well, if Trunk gets to throw in images in a cheap attempt to tug at heart strings, why can't I?

Funny, it looks to me like FDR inherited hell and helped us slowly climb
out. You can try and pretend things would have gotten better on their
own, but there is no real proof of that.

Except the fact that the worst economic crisis' in history all can be traced back to government intervention but as always, you refuse to address those.

Like the current
financial crisis that arose from deregulation.

Banking is the most highly regulated industry in America so where is the logic in saying not enough regulation was the problem? Healthcare is the second most regulated industry in America and people are bleating that not enough regulation is the problem there too.

You and everyone else just make this broad claim and don't bother to back it up with evidence or even so much as mention one single regulation that was actually removed.

The truth is, it was government meddling in the form of over printing of money and government mandated sub prime lending which resulted in over investment in housing which in turn resulted in houses being overpriced which caused people to lose their life savings once the falsehood was revealed.

If you want to refute that with evidence, I'm all ears but I am not just accepting "de-regulation was the cause because I said so"

SOCIAL FREAKIN SECURITY, DUDE!

Social security is a ponzi scheme that returns a tiny fraction of the money you pay into it...dude!

It's also a system that has to come up with 37 trillion dollars to make good on the promises it has made to your generation. That's THIRTY IRAQ WARS. The money isn't there. You are going to pay all your life into it and when you retire, you will get diddly squat. You are living in a dream world if this seriously does not alarm you.

Want more proof? Look no further than Galvaston county Texas, the one place in the America that has managed to get out of the scam. They took advantage of a loophole that allowed them to get out and make their own pension plan. After 27 years, we can compare the results. This plan uses a banking model. Workers in the county drawing from this plan get anywhere from 1.5x to 4x what they would have made through social security. Their benefits are better too. Disability is 60% of salary, far superior to social security. Workers can also make hardship withdrawls if they need to, an option social security does not offer.

Social security is neither sociable due to it's fraudulent nature and is most certainly not secure. It's only being proped up by increased, forceful taxation and reduction or even denial of benefits whenever possible.

These all beg the question that the delluded collectivists will never answer. If it's such a good thing, why does it need to be forced?

If the New Deal was such a great idea, why did the president have to back it up by force?

If Social Security is so wonderful, why must they deny you the option to not participate in it?

If the programs they impose on us are so great, why weren't people doing them themselves in the first place?

Robbing Peter to pay Paul is NOT generous, charitable or virtuous by any rational definition and to claim otherwise displays a level of naivity that makes me weep for the future. Nothing government does is generous because IT'S NOT THEIR MONEY. We need to get that into our heads! Everything government does is force and it is intended only to be used to counter the forceful actions of others and nothing more. You talk of free markets allowed to run wild? What about politicians being allowed to run wild? Who's done more damage? Who's capable of doing more damage?

Oh and WW2? Don't even get me started on the political muck ups in there.