Conservatives Hate Obama More Than They Love America

[Sephie]

Originally Posted by genderhazard

MSNBC



Hater
Overly
Bigoted



Sorry didn't have a white board

All people whos online identities have the initials HOB are out to destroy the world

[qzar9999]

All people who use GIR as an avatar have an extremely twisted sense of humor.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by DalekSec

What will happen when folks decide there is no profit, no reason in opening businesses? You will have Govt. and MEGA Corps whose noses are so far up the rumps of Govt. as to be indistinguishable. Where does the U.S. Govt. end and G.E. (Owner of NBC et al) begin?

What? No! That won't happen! The government will have used their special magic powers to drive out the evil business men so they can have us living in a land of milk and honey!

"So, why do we need all these regulations and programs? Can't people be trusted to work it out themselves?"
"No! People are idiots and that's why we need government keeping things in line or it would all be chaos"
"So people can't function without central planning to keep things running?"
"Yes"
"So...aren't governments made up of people themselves? Where's their central planners"

Compare this to...

"So why don't you believe in evolution? You really think life couldn't have formed on it's own through the principles described by the theory?"
"No, it could never happen. Anything so complex would have to have a creator. It's obvious!"
"So anything complex must have a creator?"
"Yes"
"But...such a god would be complex too. Doesn't he need a creator according to your own logic?"

This is why I call anti free market people dogmatists because they use the exact same fallacious, special pleading argument employed against the theory of evolution which coincidentally, the free market borrows a lot of ideas from. It sounds okay at first but both ultimately beg the question that the collectivists cannot answer: You say things need central planning but why does god/gov get a free pass?

You must explain why god/gov gets to be the exception to your own claims or else you're not explaining anything.

[qzar9999]

I'd love to explain why God is the exception to that, but I'm about sick to death of arguing with non-believers over that sort of thing, courtesy of a certain other website which shall remain nameless. I gotta hand it to you about the government, though; since it is composed entirely of people, it's subject to the exact same flaws that individual people are, only worse. As the saying goes, "The intelligence of a mob is equal to the IQ of the smartest person in it divided by the number of people in it."

[Rachel Bronwyn]

RE: Gawd, there's no explanation needed, LTH. If gawd exists, gawd is magical. If it's magical it doesn't need to be sensical or adhere to the scientific method. Sadly, sinse the inception of the scientific method, every mystery ever solved has resulted in an answer that... wasn't magic. At all.

Last I checked, gawd had shit-all to do with the government (or anything occurring in the universe) though. The government isn't magical in the least. I can verify that for you. (See? I'm using the Scientific Method!) So an explanation as to why the government doesn't require central planning is due.

[DalekSec]

Originally Posted by Herr Onymous-Bosch

People who submit post #105 in a thread are heterophobic hippies.

Hippy? You? Now come here and give an old hetero a big smooch you darling harlequin you. *grin*

Originally Posted by Lord T Hawkeye

What? No! That won't happen! The government will have used their special magic powers to drive out the evil business men so they can have us living in a land of milk and honey!

"So, why do we need all these regulations and programs? Can't people be trusted to work it out themselves?"
"No! People are idiots and that's why we need government keeping things in line or it would all be chaos"
"So people can't function without central planning to keep things running?"
"Yes"
"So...aren't governments made up of people themselves? Where's their central planners"

Compare this to...

"So why don't you believe in evolution? You really think life couldn't have formed on it's own through the principles described by the theory?"
"No, it could never happen. Anything so complex would have to have a creator. It's obvious!"
"So anything complex must have a creator?"
"Yes"
"But...such a god would be complex too. Doesn't he need a creator according to your own logic?"

This is why I call anti free market people dogmatists because they use the exact same fallacious, special pleading argument employed against the theory of evolution which coincidentally, the free market borrows a lot of ideas from. It sounds okay at first but both ultimately beg the question that the collectivists cannot answer: You say things need central planning but why does god/gov get a free pass?

You must explain why god/gov gets to be the exception to your own claims or else you're not explaining anything.

Here is a little mental test I came up with in the gun shop I owned.

Consider this statment and go with your first GUT reaciton.

"Kids with guns."

If your first honest reaction was:

1. "MY GOD! Stop this MADNESS and get that gun away from that kid"...YOU have been programmed.

Why? Simple...consider the next reaction....

2. Is he with his dad? Are they hunting, target shooting? Is he in 4H?

See my point?

When was the last time you saw an average citizen who does not have a badge, with a gun, in a movie or TV show who was not some inbred, wife beating, tattooed, retard and was more a depiction of Elmer Fudd than anything else? The one exception is the poor, never shot a gun sort, who picks one up and defends them self only to toss the gun away after and burst out crying.

Now you have a small glimpse into what it was like as a Black man in the 1950s who saw nothing but Amos and Andy, Stepin Fetchit and Rochester. Everyone "Like you" is a boob and a danger to himself and other.

The Left assumes man is evil. The Libertarian assumes man is basically good by nature. A modern Liberal sees a man with a gun and assumes he is out to kill someone and must be stopped. The Libertarian can see that same man and, in my case, stop to ask what kind of gun it is and feel a little safer as there is sufficient force available (Along with my legally carried and concealed firearm) to handle any incidents that might arise.


Wanna consider something REALLY scary?

If, we as Citizens of the U.S., are endowed by our CREATOR with certain inalienable rights......IF there is no CREATOR, do we have rights at all as there was no one to endow us with them?

That was your happy thought for the week. Enjoy it. *Wink*

[qzar9999]

.......

Hmm. You know I've never thought of that one, Dalek.

[DalekSec]

*GRIN*

If I make someone THINK...I have done my job.

Thank you!

[sodacat]

Originally Posted by DalekSec

Wanna consider something REALLY scary?

If, we as Citizens of the U.S., are endowed by our CREATOR with certain inalienable rights......IF there is no CREATOR, do we have rights at all as there was no one to endow us with them?

That was your happy thought for the week, enjoy it. *Wink*

Well it's a good thing being endowed with rights by a creator has nothing to do with any laws anywhere in the country. That was just part of the break-up txt message to King George.

[DalekSec]

Really? Neat assumption there. Care to risk it all on a spin of the wheel? *wink*

[sodacat]

All right, I'll bite. Where is there a legally binding law in the United States of America which requires a god or gods to validate it?

[DalekSec]

Not a MATTER of "Law" but philosophy I admit. Remember, once upon a time, a human with dark skin had no "Rights" and was considered not quite human.

My point is that words mean things and ideas matter. While I am not a Christian, Jew or Muslim (Or much else than a confused possible Pagan or Militant Amish PERHAPS), the removal of the divine has consequences. One of which is to remove the very source (As the Founding Father recognized it and TERMED it) of all the rights we enjoy. Yes, one can rightly argue that codified law is codified law and even if we remove all references to the divine, or outlaw religion all together, it is still, codified law. However, what is that codified law regarding rights based on at that point? Aside from our desire to believe we still enjoy rights endowed to us by nothing in particular.

Lastly, and here is where it gets rather icky for many, once you remove “Creator” from the equation, the only possible sources of our rights are nature (Which tends to be silent) and Govt. (Which tends to be not so silent) . You have then, replaced the Creator (God) with Govt. Spooky don’t you think?