Cautionary message about Amazon Eve

[Sour Oblivion]

THE FOLLOWING IS MY OPINION AND IS NOT MEANT TO BE PRESENTED AS INCONTROVERTIBLE FACT.

I was just trying to warn people about what I considered a deceptive practice. I have nothing against transgendered people. But I do have something against any person who deceives others for fame and profit. So I was trying to do a public service here by letting others know about this. And for that, I've been called a bigot and worse. The old saying rings true once again: No good deed ever goes unpunished.

Anyway, here are a few other items I can throw your way. And if this doesn't convince you that I'm not making this up, then I don't know what will. I don't know why that second link I posted vanished, but I can at least provide the picture from it. A simple Yahoo image search reveals this headshot, and it also reveals that the headshot comes from the page I tried to link to before. http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...sigb=12gm5cm0u

Next, and perhaps more convincingly, we have a person by the name of Erika Ervin attending a charity event. Now this is where you all have to put two and two together. Erika Ervin is the writer of the first article who openly admits in said article to being transgendered. In the two charity event pictures I'm posting, you see in attendance an obviously towering Erika Ervin who looks very much like both the Erika Ervin in the first article and Amazon Eve.

http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2009/10...ryraffleME.jpg

http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2009/10...ikaErvinME.jpg

Scrolling down on the right side of this page, you'll see confirmation that these pictures are of Erika Ervin. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/10/prweb2969744.htm

And no, I don't enjoy using a charity news story to prove this kind of point, but I've been put on the defensive and this is all I have left to offer.

And hey, Erika/Eve obviously has some very good qualities about him/her: being an advocate for transgendered people, involvement with charity... but deceiving others for profit and fame unfortunately appears to be a black mark on his/her record.

By the way, consider that Ervin may have fabricated a younger-than-actual age just for his/her character "Amazon Eve". Also, keep in mind that generously applied make-up and intense photoshopping can do wonders when it comes to creating a more youthful appearance. I'm referring here to the Zoo photos.

I really don't want to be enemies with anybody here, nor with Erika Ervin/Amazon Eve for that matter. I just want people to be honest. And if that's considered a bad thing, then this world is even worse off than I thought it was.

Lorekeep, feel free to delete this thread at your discretion. It's obviously gotten way out of hand. I leave it up to you.

[qzar9999]

Originally Posted by Jecilyn

_Lifestyle choices_? Please don't tell me you believe that being gay is a lifestyle choice?

Not the best "choice" of words....not at all

I would assume you mean "I've got many friends, some of whom happened to be gay...and that fact has never influenced my friendship with them. It is simply a non-issue"

(I could go off the deep end here, but I'm going to try and give you the benefit of the doubt that you chose your words poorly)

Ok, yes, my apologies. I wasn't sure of the proper way to say it. Yes, the fact never came up. If they're gay, that's their thing, it's really not any of my business, nor is it my place (or anyone else's) to criticize them or tell them they're "wrong" for it. Their life is theirs to live. By the way, I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt--as that actually IS what I meant--instead of attacking me, deriding my intelligence and calling me a troll. Speaking of which...

Originally Posted by Rachel Bronwyn

"I have gay friends" is my favourite excuse used by homophobes. Sarah Palin used it. Funny we were never able to locate a gay friend of hers. Anyhoo, I struggle to believe anyone who vocalises that civil society is founded on heterosexual family values, denounces gay marriage and attends pray-the-gay-away events has any gay friends.

Yes, please let me name ANY of my RL friends on a fetish board. Especially in response to someone who ignores almost everything I say to them unless they can use it against me. I know I've had gay friends, and I know I didn't judge them for it--I don't have to prove it to you. EDIT: It occurs to me on re-reading your post that you may have still been talking about Palin, and not me. It reads a bit confusingly, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as well and assume you were not putting words in my mouth for a second time.

Originally Posted by Rachel Bronwyn

You'll note I assessed the situation and disengaged. My current post is in response to Jecilyn. I deserve a pat on the back.

Let me get this straight: you'd like a pat on the back for tossing groundless insults at me, judging me when you don't know me, refusing to respond to any of my other statements, and then running away and pretending you're taking the high road? Clearly that's a well-deserved reward.

Originally Posted by Rachel Bronwyn

Besides, there's another man in my life I like to waste copious amounts of time on. His name's Mario. He's got a brother. Sometimes they both come over to play.

Wow. I actually found something I have in common with you. Of course the Mario games do have near-universal appeal, and that's an issue that's got nothing to do with religion, politics, ideals, or the other 7 million things you and I disagree on.

I really wonder why I bother doing this. I get enough headaches from arguing with my wife, and I don't disagree with her on nearly as many things as I do with you. Not to mention she hasn't arbitrarily decided that she's smarter than me and anything I say isn't worth the effort it took to say it.

[Jungles]

Originally Posted by Rachel Bronwyn

This coming from someone so profoundly homohobic they're incapable of watching porn featuring males as naked men scare them.

Is not trying to make someone feel bad about what they're attracted to is just as bad as forbidding someone from being who they want to be?

Think about it.

[Jecilyn]

Originally Posted by Sour Oblivion

I really don't want to be enemies with anybody here, nor with Erika Ervin/Amazon Eve for that matter. I just want people to be honest.

Here's the thing I'm having issue with. To me, this has gone past the whole "Is it Erika or not?" question this thread has raised.

You continue to use ambiguous/deliberately obtuse pronouns such as him/her in several places throughout your defensive "proving" of your point...all the while _Knowing_ full well the effect this will have on certain people.

It's like you're taunting some of the other readers just for the damn lulz. Honestly, it's tiring and you're just further degrading any point you might have had in doing so....We get it, you have an opinion on transgender people and what "sex" they are in your mind.


Just as aside---
....IMO <---- you may wish to utilise this same acronym when making claims about Erika....You are bandying your belief around as fact...rather than as your opinion. As someone pointed out, you need to careful how you make such claims...because in a litigious society (such as exists in the US) if you are wrong in your assumption, you could be looking at a serious court case just as Liveordie suggested above.

[LOD]

@ sour oblivion - You don't want to be enemies with Eve yet you are still basing your entire case on calling her a liar. Both women look nothing alike to me, yeah I said both WOMEN.

No matter what your view on the situation is Erika is, was, and will always be a woman. She didn't go through the transition to be deceptive. Quite on the contrary actually....

Okay lets say there's this apple. It tastes like an apple, smells like an apple, and would make a great pie if given a chance.

*continued*

[LOD]

Putting an orange peel on the apple doesn't make the apple an orange. The apple will always be what it is on the inside no matter what!

You look at the orange peel and call it an orange without batting an eye. Now what if that apple has the chance to shed this false skin? Are you seriously going to argue that it's an orange?

[Sour Oblivion]

THE FOLLOWING IS MY OPINION AND IS NOT MEANT TO BE PRESENTED AS INCONTROVERTIBLE FACT.

I appreciate your insight on this, Jecilyn. And I can assure you that I'm not laughing about any of this. I used "him/her" and "he/she" as a way of being gender neutral since referring to this person simply as "he" and "him" caused such an uproar. But it would appear that trying to refer to this person in a gender neutral way isn't okay either.

Anyway, I give up on this. The small point I was trying to make in the beginning about deception is definitely not worth the nightmare this thread has become. Practically everything I say is being construed as something offensive, bigoted, etc., even though I point out over and over that I have nothing against transgendered people and that my beef is with people who deceive others for personal gain.

[Anurubius]

...... *just walks right past this thread*

[Sephie]

It sort of betrays your claim of not having anything against transgendered people when you immediately accuse them of being deceptive. It is akin to the claim "I don't have anything against gays, I just oppose them engaging in sodomy."

If Eve is transgendered, a point which has not seen strong evidence, it would bare no relevance on the fantasy she is selling. As I mentioned earlier as being trans and in a relation it would be a deception for her if she was trans to claim to be a guy. It would also be dangerous to her both physically and financially to go brandishing her trans identity as the video clip indicates that she would be traceable. Openly trans individuals who are easily traceable tend to have their lives foreshortened by religious nut jobs who are too insecure in their own personality.

I do not believe you are homophobic (or rather I see no evidence for you being homophobic). I do believe you are transphobic though.

[Rachel Bronwyn]

You know, I've always thought of homophobia as an all-encompassing term, regarding people freaked out by sexual identities/orientations they don't identify with. I'm going to have to look into that.

But yeah, pretty ironic that someone who claims to not take issue with transgendered individuals doesn't have the human decency to refer to them by the gender they identify with and not accuse them of deception when they don't broadcast their chromosomes. As HOB put it so eloquently, "it would bare no relevance on the fantasy she is selling." Her biology is irrelevent to that product. That means it's none of anyone's business. If it played a role in her work, as in she had a penis, and she advertised herself as a female, presumably without a dick, it would be deception. It's not though.

Also, someone who didn't take issue with Amazon Eve or this Erika person wouldn't flagrantly accuse either of being a liar without ample evidence.

Originally Posted by Jungles

Is not trying to make someone feel bad about what they're attracted to is just as bad as forbidding someone from being who they want to be?

Think about it.

Thought about it. Didn't ring true.

At no point have I so much as suggested anyone feel bad about they're attracted to, so we can discard that right away.

My issue is with individuals who experience extreme revulsion upon the sight of something that doesn't appeal to them. If someone can't look at a naked man without "feeling gay" they're profoundly insecure in their sexuality, which is sad. That they actively discriminate against homosexuals, deeming their sexuality a "choice" though is homophobia. There's nothing wrong with speaking out against irrational discrimination.

Far be it from me to deny anyone their feelings. I can't and won't stop anyone from being homophobic. I will protect the people I love from them though and I will call them on their irrationality and hypocrisy. Someone who can't look at naked men because it makes them "feel gay" has no business telling me what is and isn't homophobic.

[resiz3d]

Originally Posted by Sour Oblivion

I was just trying to warn people about what I considered a deceptive practice. I have nothing against transgendered people. But I do have something against any person who deceives others for fame and profit. So I was trying to do a public service here by letting others know about this. And for that, I've been called a bigot and worse. The old saying rings true once again: No good deed ever goes unpunished.

Anyway, here are a few other items I can throw your way. And if this doesn't convince you that I'm not making this up, then I don't know what will. I don't know why that second link I posted vanished, but I can at least provide the picture from it. A simple Yahoo image search reveals this headshot, and it also reveals that the headshot comes from the page I tried to link to albefore. http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...sigb=12gm5cm0u

They are very clearly two different women. Ervin is a very outspoken transsexual and successful businesswoman. (link). Do you mean to tell me that for some crazy reason she gave that all up, changed her name, went "in the closet" all to become a model and make some money doing size-fetish RP?

Makes no sense, man!

[qzar9999]

Originally Posted by Rachel Bronwyn

My issue is with individuals who experience extreme revulsion upon the sight of something that doesn't appeal to them. If someone can't look at a naked man without "feeling gay" they're profoundly insecure in their sexuality, which is sad. That they actively discriminate against homosexuals, deeming their sexuality a "choice" though is homophobia. There's nothing wrong with speaking out against irrational discrimination.

Far be it from me to deny anyone their feelings. I can't and won't stop anyone from being homophobic. I will protect the people I love from them though and I will call them on their irrationality and hypocrisy. Someone who can't look at naked men because it makes them "feel gay" has no business telling me what is and isn't homophobic.

However, someone who does not actively discriminate against homosexuals and who's never said that they "feel gay" upon seeing a naked man, and has only expressed a preference not to because it's a turn-off for them--me, for instance--doesn't deserve to be automatically judged homophobic, and has every right to disagree with you when you call them that.