Cautionary message about Amazon Eve - Page 11

CandyKing · 01-31-2010

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Ah, I will break the ignoring this once to clarify: your views and beliefs are as mature as a child's, I don't care how you phrase them. You're so colossally ignorant, and happy being so, that I don't want to read the bullshit you spew forth any more.

At least Rachel had the decency to point out where she thought we were wrong and say why instead of this... this trolling. This is my last post from me in this particular thread, there's not much else to say.

tjlemke · 01-31-2010

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Originally Posted by The Warlock

Ah, I will break the ignoring this once to clarify: your views and beliefs are as mature as a child's, I don't care how you phrase them. You're so colossally ignorant, and happy being so, that I don't want to read the bullshit you spew forth any more.

That's all.

The Warlock

Well no matter how immature or stupid you feel his beliefs, he is entitled to them. Shouldn't affect you to much.

Rachel Bronwyn · 01-31-2010

Honestly, I'm entirely in favour of the Warlock's approach at this point.

You're still relying on a definition of homophobia that suits your fancy as opposed to it's actual, factual definition. The definition of phobia is conditioned by the prefix which, in this case is homosexual. Neither your definition of homophobia nor the clinical definition of phobia is pertinent to the discussion at hand.

You've also entirely ignored the very unique scenario from which homophobic tendancies are arising that is being discussed. What is being discussed is being attracted to a woman, physically and psychologially, until their status of biologically male, despite having an entirely female body and psyche, comes to light. You've not been willing to expand on the reasoning for this, which is what is being deemed homophobic tendancy.

You seem profoundly uneducated about the transgendered community and physical transition as well. It is not visibly apparent that many transgendered people are transgendered. Supportive parents enable their children to experience something very close to puberty of the gender associated with the sex they identify with, negating the development of any tell-tale adult features associated with one sex or another. Given the leaps and bounds made in genital construction, it's entirely possible you could go down on someone with a Y chromosome and not know.

And now you're strawmanning like a champ. There is no disussion to be had with you at this point. You have misrepresented the arguments made by the Warlock and I and not responded to any of their actual sentiments. I can only redirect you to the actual argument so many times before your intentional or unintentional twisting of words becomes tiresome.

Qzar is still taking the logic-free route of claiming "I never said that, so you're a big liar-liar-pants-on-fire" which, frankly, is just inflated semantics. If you honestly think not saying exact words equates to having not said or suggested as much, you're delusional. But that's old news. If someone honestly believes "I didn't name-call or use swear words, therefore, I wasn't insulting and I win", frankly, I applaud them. That level of irrational thinking might do my mental health some good (and make me a total dick.) Sadly, I'm a prisoner of logic and reason.

tjlemke · 01-31-2010

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Rachel

Who is "you" supposed to be? I have no idea who you are talking to. (You meaning Rachel XD)

Sephie · 01-31-2010

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Originally Posted by tjlemke

Who is "you" supposed to be? I have no idea who you are talking to. (You meaning Rachel XD)

Not you. Everyone here loves you.

CandyKing · 01-31-2010

Sigh, ok I said my last post, but I want to address Rachel, I actually agreed in that particular situation where you suddenly go from attraction to NO attraction on finding that detail, then yes, there is probably some homophobia/transphobia influencing the decision and said that is a very specific situation. I have also stated that we are only used to seeing the "visible" ones, I know that many TGs are NOT apparent at a glance, and even mentioned that it is possible for them to train their voices so that you CANNOT tell by how they sound. Not adding any discussion, just pointing out that I have agreed to a couple of points that you said towards (I'm assuming) me.

Sephie · 01-31-2010

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Originally Posted by CandyKing

Sigh, ok I said my last post, but I want to address Rachel, I actually agreed in that particular situation where you suddenly go from attraction to NO attraction on finding that detail, then yes, there is probably some homophobia/transphobia influencing the decision and said that is a very specific situation. I have also stated that we are only used to seeing the "visible" ones, I know that many TGs are NOT apparent at a glance, and even mentioned that it is possible for them to train their voices so that you CANNOT tell by how they sound. Not adding any discussion, just pointing out that I have agreed to a couple of points that you said towards (I'm assuming) me.

What of false positives as I believe is the case for the OP?

CandyKing · 01-31-2010

I don't speculate, and I specifically said I never checked either link because it doesn't make any difference to me whether they are or aren't. False positives though are incredibly bad, especially if they feel a need to start talking about it, and I think the op was a dick just from reading his comments on the subject, AND in addition I said that it was none of his business in another post.

Basically, false positive bad, being emo about it bad, saying they are "lieing" about their gender if it was true, also bad. I called him out early on in the thread, although my post was pretty short.

Sephie · 01-31-2010

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Originally Posted by CandyKing

I don't speculate, and I specifically said I never checked either link because it doesn't make any difference to me whether they are or aren't. False positives though are incredibly bad, especially if they feel a need to start talking about it, and I think the op was a dick just from reading his comments on the subject, AND in addition I said that it was none of his business in another post.

Basically, false positive bad, being emo about it bad, saying they are "lieing" about their gender if it was true, also bad. I called him out early on in the thread, although my post was pretty short.

Have a Cookie

Anurubius · 01-31-2010

*pulls up a chair and sits with a tub of popcorn*

LOD · 01-31-2010

Okay now we can try to bring this thread to a close =)

Let's try to get everyone together in agreement of something....

Eve is hawt!!

The Warlock · 01-31-2010

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Originally Posted by tjlemke

Well no matter how immature or stupid you feel his beliefs, he is entitled to them. Shouldn't affect you to much.

No. Beliefs and opinions based on not just ignorance, but willful ignorance, are entirely unacceptable.

The Warlock

01-31-2010	#123
Rachel Bronwyn Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,002	Re: Cautionary message about Amazon Eve Honestly, I'm entirely in favour of the Warlock's approach at this point. You're still relying on a definition of homophobia that suits your fancy as opposed to it's actual, factual definition. The definition of phobia is conditioned by the prefix which, in this case is homosexual. Neither your definition of homophobia nor the clinical definition of phobia is pertinent to the discussion at hand. You've also entirely ignored the very unique scenario from which homophobic tendancies are arising that is being discussed. What is being discussed is being attracted to a woman, physically and psychologially, until their status of biologically male, despite having an entirely female body and psyche, comes to light. You've not been willing to expand on the reasoning for this, which is what is being deemed homophobic tendancy. You seem profoundly uneducated about the transgendered community and physical transition as well. It is not visibly apparent that many transgendered people are transgendered. Supportive parents enable their children to experience something very close to puberty of the gender associated with the sex they identify with, negating the development of any tell-tale adult features associated with one sex or another. Given the leaps and bounds made in genital construction, it's entirely possible you could go down on someone with a Y chromosome and not know. And now you're strawmanning like a champ. There is no disussion to be had with you at this point. You have misrepresented the arguments made by the Warlock and I and not responded to any of their actual sentiments. I can only redirect you to the actual argument so many times before your intentional or unintentional twisting of words becomes tiresome. Qzar is still taking the logic-free route of claiming "I never said that, so you're a big liar-liar-pants-on-fire" which, frankly, is just inflated semantics. If you honestly think not saying exact words equates to having not said or suggested as much, you're delusional. But that's old news. If someone honestly believes "I didn't name-call or use swear words, therefore, I wasn't insulting and I win", frankly, I applaud them. That level of irrational thinking might do my mental health some good (and make me a total dick.) Sadly, I'm a prisoner of logic and reason.

01-31-2010	#126
CandyKing Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 218	Re: Cautionary message about Amazon Eve Sigh, ok I said my last post, but I want to address Rachel, I actually agreed in that particular situation where you suddenly go from attraction to NO attraction on finding that detail, then yes, there is probably some homophobia/transphobia influencing the decision and said that is a very specific situation. I have also stated that we are only used to seeing the "visible" ones, I know that many TGs are NOT apparent at a glance, and even mentioned that it is possible for them to train their voices so that you CANNOT tell by how they sound. Not adding any discussion, just pointing out that I have agreed to a couple of points that you said towards (I'm assuming) me. Last edited by CandyKing; 01-31-2010 at 12:43 PM.

01-31-2010	#128
CandyKing Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 218	Re: Cautionary message about Amazon Eve I don't speculate, and I specifically said I never checked either link because it doesn't make any difference to me whether they are or aren't. False positives though are incredibly bad, especially if they feel a need to start talking about it, and I think the op was a dick just from reading his comments on the subject, AND in addition I said that it was none of his business in another post. Basically, false positive bad, being emo about it bad, saying they are "lieing" about their gender if it was true, also bad. I called him out early on in the thread, although my post was pretty short. Last edited by CandyKing; 01-31-2010 at 03:07 PM.

01-31-2010	#130
Anurubius engage your mandibles! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: on my gts wife's shoulder Posts: 223	Re: Cautionary message about Amazon Eve pulls up a chair and sits with a tub of popcorn __________________ Blurring Lines: the struggle between light and dark just got more complicated

01-31-2010	#131
LOD Tieing a Knot Or two Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Breaking Down The Walls Of Your Imagination. Posts: 19,660	Re: Cautionary message about Amazon Eve Okay now we can try to bring this thread to a close =) Let's try to get everyone together in agreement of something.... Eve is hawt!! __________________ Claire's Project Last edited by LOD; 01-31-2010 at 04:04 PM.