Health Care Passes the US House!

[Lord T Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by liveordie83

People in this country seem to forget that the government is...YOU

The vast majority were opposed to the bailouts. The state did it anyway.

Sorry, doesn't hold up.

What about by the people, for the people have the people missed?

The government didn't elect incompetent leaders... The People did!

That's what the advertising says but it doesn't actually happen. The people have the choice of incompetent buffoon A or incompetent buffoon B. Any other choices are marginalized out of the picture by the system that A and B set up.

It's all a sham anyway even if this were not so because democracy is nothing more than glorified mob rule. If you don't approve of a leader and he gets elected, tough! There is nothing admirable about a majority forcing their will upon the minority whatsoever and as Rachel explained, all elections do is encourage the political class to be on their best behaviour during election time and then that completely goes out the window once they're in. Obama's long list of broken promises is proof of that.

For the genuinely curious, a very in depth study on both the US's and Canada's healthcare systems, both are heavily sourced.

US's


Canada's

Do keep in mind, these videos are for the genuinely curious only. If your first impulse to seeing a different opinion is to hurl accusations and ad hominems, these vids are not for you.

[Bozo]

Low-income families are already provided national insurance called Medicaid. Problems happen when someone is just above that line. This is the result of fuzzy ideas like "low income families." Without numbers, those words are useless. But people are stupid. People hate numbers. And that doesn't just go for Americans. Because if we spoke of numbers, people would see how ridiculous it is to provide Medicaid to a family grossing up to $25,000/year but not the family that grosses $25,500/year (numbers are ballpark). Same thing with forcing insurance on said "low income families."

And it's not true that Americans don't want cures. Use that logic to explain the recent wave of vaccinophobia that has spread throughout the country. The vaccine is the best clear-cut example of preventative medicine and people have shunned it for symptomatic relief instead.

[LOD]

Originally Posted by Lord T Hawkeye

The vast majority were opposed to the bailouts. The state did it anyway.

Sorry, doesn't hold up.

Bailouts were brought on because we elected the wrong people for the office in the first place.....

Originally Posted by Lord T Hawkeye

That's what the advertising says but it doesn't actually happen. The people have the choice of incompetent buffoon A or incompetent buffoon B. Any other choices are marginalized out of the picture by the system that A and B set up.

It's all a sham anyway even if this were not so because democracy is nothing more than glorified mob rule. If you don't approve of a leader and he gets elected, tough! There is nothing admirable about a majority forcing their will upon the minority whatsoever and as Rachel explained, all elections do is encourage the political class to be on their best behaviour during election time and then that completely goes out the window once they're in. Obama's long list of broken promises is proof of that.

The majority want change in our government the problem is the way we would have to go about doing that is far harder than anything they have ever done in their normal lives.

Originally Posted by Bozo

And it's not true that Americans don't want cures. Use that logic to explain the recent wave of vaccinophobia that has spread throughout the country. The vaccine is the best clear-cut example of preventative medicine and people have shunned it for symptomatic relief instead.

It's true that Americans want to be cured, but American Drug Companies want you to be cured by taking their pills everyday for the rest of your life.