So sad: Phoebe Prince

[Hooded_Miracle]

Originally Posted by liveordie83

I'm not getting into this with you anymore...

Smart move. You know you don't have a leg to stand on.

[LOD]

What was that?

[tjlemke]

Originally Posted by Hooded_Miracle

Smart move. You know you don't have a leg to stand on.

Your a dick. Shutup.

[Hooded_Miracle]

Originally Posted by tjlemke

Your a dick. Shutup.

Mis-spelled "you're." Also, I haven't done anything wrong. ('_')/

[tjlemke]

Originally Posted by Hooded_Miracle

Mis-spelled "you're." Also, I haven't done anything wrong. ('_')/

Don't you do that god dammit. Focus on the context not the grammar u dick. You dare post a petty argument over this board of all boards. This poor girl is tortured and kills herself and you have to bring up a petty argument about some bullshit that happened in the past.
Go to hell u fucking asshole. I will not be criticized by the likes of you.
Fucking stick to the damn topic. He said it is a sham she killed herself. He never said anything about how she shot have been shot. I really wish you'd leave the community because you think your better than everyone else even though your nothing but scum of the earth and a steaming pile of shit.

I really wish it would be easier for victims to find help. It seems that a counselor is hard to talk to sometimes. Kinda like the faculty of a school don't want to hear the problems of the kids unless it can get them in trouble. Also when they do to try and help the result usually leads to isolation of the victim and the rest of the kids. The victim turns into a lepro. Now I don't know what would work but what we have isn't working as well as I wish it would.

[Hooded_Miracle]

You have too much tension in you're system.

Also, I never said I was better than anyone else. I helped with your grammar, so I'm technically being the good guy here.

Also, I said this was a terrible tragedy. In, like, my first post in this thread.

[tjlemke]

Originally Posted by Hooded_Miracle

You have too much tension in you're system.

Also, I never said I was better than anyone else. I helped with your grammar, so I'm technically being the good guy here.

Also, I said this was a terrible tragedy. In, like, my first post in this thread.

Just because you said it doesn't mean it's true. I like you, your a really great person and I want you to be my best friend. That is not true at all but I did say it. And helping my with my grammar essentially does nothing. I know how to use correct grammar but in this instance it doesn't matter. If this was a research paper or a report I would use correct grammar but in this case I'm only trying to either make a point or a general statement to the grammar isn't as important.

Do you have anything relevant to the thread or are you only going to try and be my English instructor, one of which I already have that is more intelligent.

Finally this brings me tension because this topic hits home with me. I have every right to be emotional about this and it is expected for me to be outspoken. It's kinda like you and rape. Your hate for rape is my bullying.

[Rachel Bronwyn]

Why do people who had different experiences and made different decisions feel the right to judge others?

Originally Posted by tjlemke

All I have to say is my grandpa said that suicide is the most selfish thing a person can do.

People who don't understand depression say this all the time. To a suicidal person, it is by no means the case, nor is it to anyone who understands depression.

She should have found some help and if she couldn't refused to go to school.

a) She did seek help. Repeatedly. Over months and months and months.

b) Suggesting she should have forfeighted her education due to bullying is crazy.

There always is another option, even if we cant see it.

It's not very helpful when you can't see it to harness it. Even if that other option does exist, it's not available to someone who can't harness it. No one would help her harness it anyways, making it completely unavailable to her.

I feel for this girl because I have been bullied relentlessly in the past. And for the most part it feels like your trapped and there is nowhere you can go. Finding somebody or something to talk to (a friend, relative, journal) can really help.

It obviousy didn't work for this girl.

All you have to do is find something to release your anger and hurt.

This is easy for anyone who has the will to live to say. This girl had none nor any quality of life.

This girl chose the easy way out instead of fighting through it and finding a better solution.

She spent a year trying to change her situation and failing. Nothing she did was easy. She did fight through, constantly seeking "better solutions", until repeated failure resulted in her losing hope and the will to push forward.

Choosing to die, particularly when you're a beautiful, healthy, young person with all the potential in the world, is never easy. If it were easy, this woman wouldn't have bothered with the constant efforts she made to make her life livable.

Now her family and friends will be haunted by her memory for the rest of their lives.

HAUNTED? Anyone who loved this girl in life will continue to love her in death and cherish every moment they had with her and every memory of her. They will understand that, after a year of abuse and relentless attempts to improve her situation, the only way for her to find any peace was to die.

I really wish she could have gotten some help. A damn sham.

I hope that was supposed to say shame.

Originally Posted by liveordie83

Taking your own life is never the right option.

Not for you. It's the right decision for others though. Sometimes it's the only option. Sometimes it's the right one.

Sometimes you just need to decide enough is enough and fight back!

Suggesting this young woman didn't do everything in her power to change the horrible situation she was in is completely, completely unfair.

Of course I feel dreadfully sorry for the girl because like her I was "The New Kid".

You don't give that impression when you accuse her of having victimised herself and making the judgement she didn't do enough to change the scenario she was in.

But I didn't give up! I lived through the bullying and eventually decided enough was enough and fought back.

So did she. It was ineffective.

I won back a hell of a lot more than my self respect.

Then your efforts were obviously not in vain. Good for you. Just because this lady's efforts weren't successful as yours doesn't mean she didn't make the effort.

Should The tormentors be charged for tormenting her? Yes, but that should have happened before this even got to this point. It shouldn't take a death to open people's eyes to the situation at hand. She needed someone to talk to, she should have been given time to visit the guidance councilor. The school shouldn't have let this get out of hand,

Absolutely.

but I can't see them taking responsibility for her death. It was her that made that decision.

No one is being charged with her death. No one is suggesting anyone else be charged with her death. Statutory rape and harrassment resulting in bodily harm is the full extent of the charges.

I've felt the need to kill myself once....

No, you didn't. Feeling suicidal is not the same thing as having no will to live and death being the only viable option for you. If you'd been in the same mental state as this girl, as low as this girl was, you would have killed yourself.

I'm glad I removed myself from that situation before I made a terrible decision.

It would have been a terrible decision for you. That does not mean it's the wrong decision for everyone else.

This girl spent months and months being ceaselessly harrassed and doing everything in her power to remove herself from the situation she was in. It wasn't successful. Judging her as having made a bad decision and not done enough isn't fair. It's just judgemental and completely unsympathetic. It just isn`t fair.

[LOD]

I was in a very bad situation when i felt that way. It was out of high school so I don't know how I can even compare mine to hers.

[Hooded_Miracle]

Nevermind. -_-

[Rachel Bronwyn]

Originally Posted by liveordie83

I was in a very bad situation when i felt that way.

But you didn't feel killing yourself was the only option nor were you without the will to live.

It was out of high school so I don't know how I can even compare mine to hers.

Maybe you just shouldn't judge her at all.

[no-name]

I was poking around, looking for any news related to this story.
This was the only one that I could find:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati..._in_court.html