Mary Jane Meets The Moon Sequence

[TF-Viewer]

Originally Posted by vincent_richter

I'd like to assume that it's just a matter of a good artist that felt cornered and backed out, simply neglecting the responsibilities which that entails. Or, hell, for all I know, he was commissioned for the whole thing as a one-shot deal, and this IS substantial completion. I can't argue that from what I know.

Honestly, I don't think Zarnab backed out with the intention of hurting anyone, but he did. Full_Moon_Master's response is enough to indicate that much. The part that pains me is that, if anything comes of this, it'll judge his actions more than his state-of-mind. That's right and honest, but is it just? I just don't have enough information to say that there's a right conclusion at this point in time.

hehe.. Zarnab I'm sorry but that typo is just funny.

Anyway, I guess it's best just to wait and see what comes of this. It's not like we can do anything to remedy the situation at all. Maybe he'll come back, he's done that before, and maybe he'll finish it. Or maybe he won't, only time will tell.

[vincent_richter]

Goddammit, I'm tired and can barely type straight. You HAD to point that out.
To be fair, I had Killer Instinct on the brain, so the Gargos cheat... just kinda popped in there.

Seriously though, it's just incredibly frustrating to me to see behavior that can easily be remedied with a single, simple action.
It's like human beings got the Internet, then - somewhere along the way - forgot how to be human beings.

Shit, I just realized that I described 4chan perfectly.

[fringedog]

Originally Posted by vincent_richter

Oh WOW, my bad. Vile misunderstanding of the basic premise of auto-erotic asphyxiation, we meet again!
I think, for the longest time, that I confused auto-erotic asphyxiation with auto-erotic manipulation, and... the rest is history.
Dumbass mistakes to the rescue!

I'd just like to note that it isn't the artist that was caught jacking off at work, as you'd seemed to imply in the original post. He didn't and was smart enough not to. He was not smart enough to think one of his watcher would do what he would do.

It was a random watcher, with no relationship to the artist whatsoever, who police found dead in that watcher's own apartment or basement.... as said art watcher killed himself in auto-erotic asphyxiation. And sadly for the artist, who had no knowledge of these events until later, it was his(apparently hardcore M/M porn) that was on the watcher's screen.

Then I think it must have made the news or something because this event led the artist' bosses to get knowledge of him doing porn at all, which resulted in being insta-fired.

Sorry folks, sometimes life happens even without an artists' wishes. Sometimes, his -fans- can be his downfall, literally.

I'm not saying anything like that happened to Ranzab, or Nolaf... but seriously, as it happened before.... when you get a job, especially something that look serious.

Well, you try to hide what traces remains of any "unwholesome works" you might have done in the past, or try to disconnect yourself from any of it in fear of anyone making the link between you and it, be them work, family, or anyone else you might care about but would prefer not to know about such things.

Heck, maybe he's just moved on from that style or themes and didn't even want to be reminded of this kind of works. Granted, it's a pity he didn't refund or such, but I can think of many reasons some people would rather not finish a work or forget about some of the art they've done before.

A "normal" person might freak out at "horribly deformed body monster porn with all that nudity and freaky twisting body" most certainly just in this sequence's case... and if there's any such normal persons amongst those people he care.

It can be only one thing, or a combination of others.... but I can think of many reasons an artists might wish to "cut ties" with a community they were part of, from starting a new job or relationship, being once passionate for a particular type of work but now finding themselves increasingly disinterested... people they cared for finding about those works leading to a crisis of choosing between those people or those works.

Or, heck, maybe just a broken computer and not having the funds to repair it immediatly... and then having forgotten about those works in the first place once they finally can go around to resuming.


Just saying, there's so many reasons one might have dropped the face of the earth without warning, and though many have a questioniable validity in the eyes of the public, many still probably retain a certain amount of validity in the concerned artists' eyes as the one actually in said situation forcing or influencing them to "disapear".

And that's not mentionning the possibility of injury/other such things mentionned earlier by someone else.


Anyway, my pardons but I at least wanted to get out the viewpoint of someone who's been an artist and had to deal on his own end with such stuff as close family members caught with cancer, shit erupting in the family because of such and general downfalls that followed me even years after.

For just one thing amongst others I could mention without going into detail about my private life, which like for many others is an important thing for me.



Edit: Also, on the porn-not-porn subject, recall that one artist's "not the worst porny stuff they have ever done" can still remain another normal man's(or woman) "nightmare fuel", just for the reminder. I can think of many people I know for whom even such a "tame" sequence would still go straight into "nightmare fuel" category.

[vincent_richter]

I would also like to point out that there seem to be a number of artists deadset on producing as much "nightmare fuel" as is humanly possible. Is the new definition of "edgy" anything to do with shitting dicknipples?

[TF-Viewer]

Originally Posted by vincent_richter

I would also like to point out that there seem to be a number of artists deadset on producing as much "nightmare fuel" as is humanly possible. Is the new definition of "edgy" anything to do with shitting dicknipples?

Sometimes it's just a particular commissioner who pays for that from multiple artists. I don't see it all that often, and I frequent gurochan's freakshow board if that's any indicator of how widespread it isn't.

[vincent_richter]

Originally Posted by TF-Viewer

Sometimes it's just a particular commissioner who pays for that from multiple artists. I don't see it all that often, and I frequent gurochan's freakshow board if that's any indicator of how widespread it isn't.

Well, okay, A. hyperbole, and B. I still see no shortage of YouTube comments saying "how the FUCK did I get HERE again". Chalk it up to personal sensibilities?

[Esquire]

Originally Posted by vincent_richter

...Right now, I'm siding with Occam's Razor; that being, that the number of scam artists jacking people's cash for their own slight gain, far outnumbers the number of artists vanishing from the Internet due to whatever physical ailment they suffer. ...

Hanlon's Razor would contradict that, but Occam trumps Hanlon.

Originally Posted by vincent_richter

I would also like to point out that there seem to be a number of artists deadset on producing as much "nightmare fuel" as is humanly possible. Is the new definition of "edgy" anything to do with shitting dicknipples?

I would never get close to that sort of thing, and my whole shtick is turning TFs into nightmare fuel.

As for the identification issues, I've run headlong into those, since I don't want to risk either of my very, very vital Paypal accounts in order to get paid for commissions, and all the alternatives are limited. Both emails, entirely by coincidence, bring up my real name on Google. Lovely. If anyone has any anonymous alternatives to Paypal for someone outside of the US, please PM me.

There's an artist I knew of who abruptly took down all his TF Work. It wasn't until a while later that I suddenly realized I had been following his civvie work, so to speak, for a while, and he had linked his TF work to his personal work. Even today, I can still find scraps. Shame, really. His TF work was quite good, especially that one Catwoman in a spiked collar pic...

[TF-Viewer]

Originally Posted by vincent_richter

Well, okay, A. hyperbole, and B. I still see no shortage of YouTube comments saying "how the FUCK did I get HERE again". Chalk it up to personal sensibilities?

I'd love if youtube didn't have a comment option, man that place would be great without that shit.

[Shadow_Dragon]

Originally Posted by Esquire

There's an artist I knew of who abruptly took down all his TF Work. It wasn't until a while later that I suddenly realized I had been following his civvie work, so to speak, for a while, and he had linked his TF work to his personal work. Even today, I can still find scraps. Shame, really. His TF work was quite good, especially that one Catwoman in a spiked collar pic...

I know whom you speak of and it is quite disappointing and sad that such a situation was wrought upon him.

[whiteflame]

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[Esquire]

Originally Posted by TF-Viewer

I'd love if youtube didn't have a comment option, man that place would be great without that shit.

There are extensions and Userscripts you can use to hide the comments on Youtube.

I, for one, am sick of "sandwich" jokes in just about any video with even a mildly attractive woman. This is why we can't have nice things.

[nolaf]

I'm honestly kind of surprised there's even a defending side on this issue.

Zekey, now Ranzab, man, this is WRONG. I know how life isn't always flowers and unicorns and there's always trouble around the corner when you least expect it, but you've got to have work ethic. I mean I'm the guy who delayed commissions for 2 fucking years. I have the first-hand experience on everything from serious family tragedy to financial debt. But you have to at least notifiy the client of your situation, if you're not ready to give a refund right at this very moment, because it's just NOT COOL to keep people in the dark.

Edited: Turns out I've been a complete hypocrite about prepayments, so I guess I'd rather not touch this subject in my post at all :P