Bitten trailer

[GenYun]

I'm not liking the CG much, tbh. I know this is pretty ironic coming from me, but I'll take practical effects any day.

[KrustyTheSailor]

I am curious what you don't like about the CG? Any specific technical issue, or the artistic choices?

[blackjack60]

Originally Posted by KrustyTheSailor

I am curious what you don't like about the CG? Any specific technical issue, or the artistic choices?

I'm not GenYun, but I will chime in and say that while I appreciate what we're being given, the CGI has a definite TV-budget look--no one's going to mistake these for real wolves (the fur occasionally looks like it's made from scales instead of hair). But low FX budgets can't be helped, and we'll have to be grateful that the show has an actual transformation scene in the first place, rather than the one-second morphs on True Blood or the 90%-offscreen TFs in Vampire Diaries. That crap is what you usually get when "real wolves" are used as werewolves. In Bitten the wolves won't look real, but at least we'll get to see them transform.

[Mr Wayne]

Originally Posted by blackjack60

I'm not GenYun, but I will chime in and say that while I appreciate what we're being given, the CGI has a definite TV-budget look--no one's going to mistake these for real wolves (the fur occasionally looks like it's made from scales instead of hair). But low FX budgets can't be helped, and we'll have to be grateful that the show has an actual transformation scene in the first place, rather than the one-second morphs on True Blood or the 90%-offscreen TFs in Vampire Diaries. That crap is what you usually get when "real wolves" are used as werewolves. In Bitten the wolves won't look real, but at least we'll get to see them transform.

I'll add in my two cents as well for another style of wolf transformation, which can be seen in either the movie Van Helsing or the current Netflix series Hemlock Grove. Maybe by some people this goretesque style of tearing off the changling's own flesh is satisfying or in some way more correct. But imho it does nothing for what I seek in the transformation process of werewolves and the like. I would much more prefer seeing Erin's back stretch and deform from S3e3 Being Human US instead of 'shedding' the skin and teeth falling out.

Incorporate clothing destruction on any level and that would be a bonus. In short, there is better but there has been worse. At least female WW process is being portrayed more than in the past. Heck, even as short as Erin's above transformation was you can't argue with her moans and groans of pain. I'm no sadist, but her reaction was priceless just in how much agony she sounded. Realism. ^_^

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by Volfsbayne

I'll add in my two cents as well for another style of wolf transformation, which can be seen in either the movie Van Helsing or the current Netflix series Hemlock Grove. Maybe by some people this goretesque style of tearing off the changling's own flesh is satisfying or in some way more correct. But imho it does nothing for what I seek in the transformation process of werewolves and the like. I would much more prefer seeing Erin's back stretch and deform from S3e3 Being Human US instead of 'shedding' the skin and teeth falling out.

Incorporate clothing destruction on any level and that would be a bonus. In short, there is better but there has been worse. At least female WW process is being portrayed more than in the past. Heck, even as short as Erin's above transformation was you can't argue with her moans and groans of pain. I'm no sadist, but her reaction was priceless just in how much agony she sounded. Realism. ^_^

Completely agree with you... my only complain about Erin's TF (apart from the fact that lasted veeery few) is the fact that the promotional ads from Being Human were selling us the last season with this TF in them, and then we get no "bonus" at all... yeah, my two cents of "conspiration". It TFs are "not important" for the producers, why do they insist on using them as effective promotion?

[Mr Wayne]

Originally Posted by Anahki

Completely agree with you... my only complain about Erin's TF (apart from the fact that lasted veeery few) is the fact that the promotional ads from Being Human were selling us the last season with this TF in them, and then we get no "bonus" at all... yeah, my two cents of "conspiration". It TFs are "not important" for the producers, why do they insist on using them as effective promotion?

Anahki,

Because they know people like us will be hanging on their every production desperately hoping for good TF material. This effectively affords the producers the mastery of the 'carrot' technique. They dangle said illustrious carrot and we follow. If they choose a good real one, we are happier. If they choose to dangle an imitation, that's all we get. Should they manage to string us along for an entire television season with minimal TF screen time, then they make out like bandits.

[GenYun]

Originally Posted by blackjack60

I'm not GenYun, but I will chime in and say that while I appreciate what we're being given, the CGI has a definite TV-budget look--no one's going to mistake these for real wolves (the fur occasionally looks like it's made from scales instead of hair). But low FX budgets can't be helped, and we'll have to be grateful that the show has an actual transformation scene in the first place, rather than the one-second morphs on True Blood or the 90%-offscreen TFs in Vampire Diaries. That crap is what you usually get when "real wolves" are used as werewolves. In Bitten the wolves won't look real, but at least we'll get to see them transform.

Yeah, pretty much this.

[Shadow_Dragon]

Originally Posted by GenYun

Yeah, pretty much this.

Unless you have an Avatar budget, I don't think it'll ever be close. Unless you pulled off what they did with narnia with the minotaur.

[GenYun]

The new Sleepy Hallow series does pretty well with practical effects, so it's not out of bounds for a TV series to use them effectively.

[TF-Viewer]

Originally Posted by Volfsbayne

Anahki,

Because they know people like us will be hanging on their every production desperately hoping for good TF material. This effectively affords the producers the mastery of the 'carrot' technique. They dangle said illustrious carrot and we follow. If they choose a good real one, we are happier. If they choose to dangle an imitation, that's all we get. Should they manage to string us along for an entire television season with minimal TF screen time, then they make out like bandits.

It's both funny and sad that anyone thinks we're their target demographic. We're not a consideration to them, we're not even a known factor. There has never even been a news story about transformation fetishes or any mention of this or any site in the community out in the general public that could ever make the producers of these shows aware that we even exist. They know that furries exist and that some people are into vampires in a kinky way, but the transformation fetish community, no sir that's not something the network executives talk about at board meetings or when writers plan a story arc.

The reason you feel like you get teased like that and the reason the content is so rare is because nobody who makes those rare female TF scenes realizes that there is a market for it. If they ever do find out though they'd then realize the market is so incredibly small that they'd never bother to invest in it. It may be that occasionally a writer will have a mild interest in it themselves and a scene will appear where one wouldn't expect, but it's not there for us, it was something they did because they wanted it. Until you see someone involved in the creation of these shows actually acknowledging the community of TF fans on the internet you can be sure none of the content was created for our benefit or to reel us in.

[bcislandguy]

I agree about the cgi vs practical effects. I think what it is a practical effect even if done poorly seems more real to us, its something we can touch and interact with and therefore suspend our disbelief that its not truly real.

A cgi effect no matter how well done we know in our mind isn't real in any physical sense , we can't touch it interact with it at all other than a purely mental state.

It kinda reminds me of the matrix movies and how cipher is sitting talking to smith, he knows the steak isn't real and therefore shouldn't enjoy eating it, but his mind makes it real to him and it tastes good. A cgi effect requires that type of thinking. You have to suspend your disbelief to enjoy the experience and some people just can't do that

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by bcislandguy

I agree about the cgi vs practical effects. I think what it is a practical effect even if done poorly seems more real to us, its something we can touch and interact with and therefore suspend our disbelief that its not truly real.

A cgi effect no matter how well done we know in our mind isn't real in any physical sense , we can't touch it interact with it at all other than a purely mental state.

It kinda reminds me of the matrix movies and how cipher is sitting talking to smith, he knows the steak isn't real and therefore shouldn't enjoy eating it, but his mind makes it real to him and it tastes good. A cgi effect requires that type of thinking. You have to suspend your disbelief to enjoy the experience and some people just can't do that

Good argumentation, but it is not true in some cases. The problem with not-that-good cgi are not the effects themselves. The problem is the lack of integration and/or interaction with the real environment. Sometimes the problem is solved through the use of apropriate complementary tricks, like convenient camera angles, lighting, and even good actoral work. But so many times the CGI stand "out of place", so the viewer is prone so see the trick... I mean, like a illusionist who forgets to arrange a distraction just right in the moment when he is doing the important part of his show.