Bitten: The Series

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by make_her_grow

And lastly: Always keep in mind scifi or any public tv channel televised series will NEVER be meant for us, so there will always be a small level of disappointment from a fetish standpoint. They (series producers) have to keep the all mighty dollars in mind when dealing with ratings, so they have to pander to the widest audiences possible. This means keeping things like violence, nudity, and traumatizing transformations (to none fetishists) at a minimum.

TLDR: Keep in mind TV series aren't made for the fetish crowd and keep expectations low to avoid disappointment.

I've had this discussion before with other people, and yes, it is true that they don't produce the TF material towards the "fetish guys out there". But that statement gives us so much importance. I mean, almost all of them even don't know that we exist at all. But that is not the fact, I mean, the "fetish factor". What I talk about is the fact that humans are attracted by things like sex, violence, and everything that could be nasty, weird or strange.
The unconscious attraction for the forbidden, for the strange and odd things, is what directors and producers (and the ads team, of course) use to build their trailers and promos, so the people would be attracted, no matter they were "fetishists" or not. Just because of the human nature. And then, of course, when the show is on, everything that could be found distasteful or not suitable for the target audience is reduced to the minimum, to the point that, as we even had in the first TF of the show, some content of the preview would be eliminated. It works this way here, but if you want more examples, you could watch the promo of the second season of being human (includes Erin's TF) or the trailer for 13 hrs, that contains the female werewolf TF even though it is a major spoil of the movie. Coincidence? I think not.

[Thrillerboy]

Originally Posted by make_her_grow

Well don't forget they always have to worry about those pesky things called budget and ratings.

Any given show is only given a set amount to work with. this show can only use so much cgi as the budget allows for any process. As such, the number of onscreen TF's ARE going to be low, because some of the cgi time has to be used for the dogs themselves.

Ratings is also a factor. While it has a female star my understanding is this book and tv series was geared more towards women, so of course they'd want to garner to them to get the highest ratings. This means a LOT more men shown then women sadly, so you're going to have to expect them.

And lastly: Always keep in mind scifi or any public tv channel televised series will NEVER be meant for us, so there will always be a small level of disappointment from a fetish standpoint. They (series producers) have to keep the all mighty dollars in mind when dealing with ratings, so they have to pander to the widest audiences possible. This means keeping things like violence, nudity, and traumatizing transformations (to none fetishists) at a minimum.

TLDR: Keep in mind TV series aren't made for the fetish crowd and keep expectations low to avoid disappointment.

I've dropped the whole "they're not marketing towards us" line plenty of times myself in this thread. Honestly, it's not really the point right now. The reason I say this is because when this series was still in production, the producers and some of the cast were gushing about how this wasn't just some Twilight-esque drama that panders specifically to the crowd you're mentioning. They pointed out there would be blood, sex, nudity (though this I knew wasn't going to be anything mind-blowing...it's cable), and to a lesser extent, transformations. I'm not saying they were promising us fucking AWIL, but they made a point of saying this was more than some chick show, even if that was the original target audience of the book series. Now, at this point, it seems they oversold themselves, or maybe there's cut footage that will see the light of day on a DVD/Blu-Ray. Who knows?

Budget is the likely culprit here. It seems clear that they are picking and choosing which parts of the transformations to show based on what's cheaper and easier to do. That adds to my belief that they blew their load on that first episode, which showed in how they glossed over the second. Not surprising, but disappointing. If this was a hurdle for them, why not keep one of the two tfs in your pocket from the first episode, and put more effort into the one we just got last night? To be such a key moment (the "first change"), it really felt rushed.

I know how this all goes, expectations-wise. I already went back to reading up on the other three or four projects I'm waiting on after the second episode of this. If we ever get that amazing tf scene, I think it will come from a place you'll least expect it. Or I can just start researching all the techniques and materials it takes to do it myself. (I'm not even being all that sarcastic with that last statement...)

[mb78]

I feel like it was disappointing mostly because, as mentioned above, there was almost nothing in there that wasn't seen in the previews. If that had been a "fresh" transformation, it would have been considered fairly impressive, by the low standards that are female werewolf transformations. It goes to one of my entertainment pet peeves: Giving away your best stuff (whether it's your best joke, your best action scene, or, in this case, your best special effects) in previews. Just makes the viewer feel like a sucker for actually watching.

Oh, and I'll stop commenting on the quality of the series after this, because that's kind of an opinion thing, but the scene where she's bitten...I hope that was just rushed and not based on the book. "You can't have her" (5 seconds pass) "Ouch!" That may have been the single most ridiculous "infection scene" in the history of this branch of popular entertainment.

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by Thrillerboy

I've dropped the whole "they're not marketing towards us" line plenty of times myself in this thread. Honestly, it's not really the point right now. The reason I say this is because when this series was still in production, the producers and some of the cast were gushing about how this wasn't just some Twilight-esque drama that panders specifically to the crowd you're mentioning. They pointed out there would be blood, sex, nudity (though this I knew wasn't going to be anything mind-blowing...it's cable), and to a lesser extent, transformations. I'm not saying they were promising us fucking AWIL, but they made a point of saying this was more than some chick show, even if that was the original target audience of the book series. Now, at this point, it seems they oversold themselves, or maybe there's cut footage that will see the light of day on a DVD/Blu-Ray. Who knows?

Budget is the likely culprit here. It seems clear that they are picking and choosing which parts of the transformations to show based on what's cheaper and easier to do. That adds to my belief that they blew their load on that first episode, which showed in how they glossed over the second. Not surprising, but disappointing. If this was a hurdle for them, why not keep one of the two tfs in your pocket from the first episode, and put more effort into the one we just got last night? To be such a key moment (the "first change"), it really felt rushed.

I know how this all goes, expectations-wise. I already went back to reading up on the other three or four projects I'm waiting on after the second episode of this. If we ever get that amazing tf scene, I think it will come from a place you'll least expect it. Or I can just start researching all the techniques and materials it takes to do it myself. (I'm not even being all that sarcastic with that last statement...)

Completely agree with you. It is what happened with the show. And yes, we enjoyed the TF and so on. I even enjoy the series, it follows the booknot exactly but almost, as long as the series had the supervision of Ms Armstrong herself.
To say a couple of words of hope, maybe we could get some other interesting TFs, as well as a not null chance of having some "director's cut" in the DVD. And there will be some other shows in the near future, or that I hope so . The best of all is that maybe this show, if it becomes popular, could prepare the ground for more female werewolf-related stuff. What do you think?

[make_her_grow]

Originally Posted by Thrillerboy

I've dropped the whole "they're not marketing towards us" line plenty of times myself in this thread. Honestly, it's not really the point right now. The reason I say this is because when this series was still in production, the producers and some of the cast were gushing about how this wasn't just some Twilight-esque drama that panders specifically to the crowd you're mentioning. They pointed out there would be blood, sex, nudity (though this I knew wasn't going to be anything mind-blowing...it's cable), and to a lesser extent, transformations. I'm not saying they were promising us fucking AWIL, but they made a point of saying this was more than some chick show, even if that was the original target audience of the book series. Now, at this point, it seems they oversold themselves, or maybe there's cut footage that will see the light of day on a DVD/Blu-Ray. Who knows?

Budget is the likely culprit here. It seems clear that they are picking and choosing which parts of the transformations to show based on what's cheaper and easier to do. That adds to my belief that they blew their load on that first episode, which showed in how they glossed over the second. Not surprising, but disappointing. If this was a hurdle for them, why not keep one of the two tfs in your pocket from the first episode, and put more effort into the one we just got last night? To be such a key moment (the "first change"), it really felt rushed.

I know how this all goes, expectations-wise. I already went back to reading up on the other three or four projects I'm waiting on after the second episode of this. If we ever get that amazing tf scene, I think it will come from a place you'll least expect it. Or I can just start researching all the techniques and materials it takes to do it myself. (I'm not even being all that sarcastic with that last statement...)

Trouble is no matter how many times we drop the "Not for us" line, people in general still allow themselves to believe otherwise.

That's what happened with 50ft Cheerleader. Time and again people were warned its not a fetish movie and to expect a lousy b-grade fest at best, but people were STILL disappointed because they convinced themselves it might beat out Hannah's movie or North's movie in terms of effects and sexiness.

BUT, I will say you have a point about over selling. Because again with Cheerleader, they did that quite well. It's partly why people allowed themselves to forget the "Not for us" line in the first place, and the same thing is happening now with this series.

This is why I try not to watch or read early interviews if I can help it. I'd rather watch for myself and make my own judgements later to avoid let downs.

[Kantomaster1111]

I just want a good tail growth. Is that too much to ask?

That said, the show did a lot of build up to this important "first change" and it didn't last long. Not that I wanted more effects, but it seemed half-assed in every regard. Like, she suffers briefly, changes pretty quickly, and boom she's back to normal? I thought this was supposed to be hard to survive for women!

The show's story is still pretty weak, hope this pack vs. pack conflict gets better, otherwise it has little going for it.

The TF we got was pretty decent for what it was, at the end of the day.

[thatnightwolf]

My favorite aspect of this "first change" scene is that they were able to show the shortening of her legs into actual wolf legs. I thought that was an interesting and well done detail we don't normally get to see. I mean even AWIL didn't even provide that detail given that it was an unrealistic monster wolf to begin with. Bitten has been giving us one interesting detail of the change per TF scene, so maybe by the end of this season we'll see a tail growth. *fingers crossed*

[Thrillerboy]

How people feel about tail growth on this board, I feel that way about facial changes/muzzle growth. I can't think of one female transformation that had a really, really good muzzle growth in it. This past episode really let me down, because they had every chance to do that, and just zoomed in super close to her face, not showing anything.

[thatnightwolf]

Originally Posted by Thrillerboy

How people feel about tail growth on this board, I feel that way about facial changes/muzzle growth. I can't think of one female transformation that had a really, really good muzzle growth in it. This past episode really let me down, because they had every chance to do that, and just zoomed in super close to her face, not showing anything.

Well they kinda showed a bit of muzzle growth with Logan's character in episode 1. That kinda leads me to believe they won't revisit that detail, which is a real shame. I'm a big fan of the muzzle growths.
(I was surprised they showed one during the Season 2 premiere of Being Human.)

One of the few aspects they haven't addressed is the tail. I'd even enjoy it if they addressed that during the scene where she changes in the bathroom behind the frosted glass (if indeed that is what's happening in that scene).

[Chef123]

TF was okay, but I also would have loved a nice muzzle & tail growth shot.

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by thatnightwolf

Well they kinda showed a bit of muzzle growth with Logan's character in episode 1. That kinda leads me to believe they won't revisit that detail, which is a real shame. I'm a big fan of the muzzle growths.
(I was surprised they showed one during the Season 2 premiere of Being Human.)

One of the few aspects they haven't addressed is the tail. I'd even enjoy it if they addressed that during the scene where she changes in the bathroom behind the frosted glass (if indeed that is what's happening in that scene).

Well, this is just my opinion, but maybe we are not going to see her face change, just because a "beauty reason". My theory is that the actress wanted her face dissociated from the werewolf, so the farthest they will go with that is that second TF where we saw her face with pointed teeth. And that's all.
About the tail... nope, just because it would imply to have a look at her bare naked bottom before the total transformation. Her ass just only will (and has been) appear seconds (or planes) away enough for the same reason we won't have her face changing.
Yes, I know that this could be a extremely twisted reason, but think about it: Miss Vandervoort is using this series to jump into better jobs (perfectly coherent), and being almost 30, she hasn't been very success (she has had just minor roles), but she still "has an image to keep" for future projects.

[Kantomaster1111]

There's a clear ass shot right after her revert. They don't have to show her butt from behind to show even a brief tail growth. I don't think "having an image to keep" is relevant, given all that we've seen already.