Maxgrowth Patreon

[mofoapoo]

Originally Posted by fredzor

What are you talking about, dude? Those people advertise here for both our benefit and theirs.

They are not the reason there is a lack on content around here. Lack of content is the reason for lack of content. There is not much out there going on for us if you didn't notice.

BE kind of reached it's peak early in the last decade as far as content production goes. Aren't you sick of the lackluster stories, comics and photos anyways? Video is pretty much where it's at now and there is more out there every day for us, precisely because of those artists who are 'diminishing our wallets'.

What exactly is it you want that you feel is being threatened by video artists or producers like MaxGrowth?

the lack of content here isn't because zzz advertising here and such. The lack of content here is because it's so easy to find content anywhere on the web.

But don't say advertising here benefits us. It only benefits the artists.

[fredzor]

It only benefits the artists? Oh, because we all expect them to produce content for free right?

I'm glad they advertise here. If they make more of a profit there is a larger chance we see more content, it's already happened. It's not like there are a ton of places where you can market stuff for specific fetishes.

You didn't say if it actually bothered you or not, but why would it? It's not like Bambi is taking over the site from Stormr or something like that. There is literally no adverse effect and only a positive one.

[Dex164]

Originally Posted by fredzor

It only benefits the artists? Oh, because we all expect them to produce content for free right?

I'm glad they advertise here. If they make more of a profit there is a larger chance we see more content, it's already happened. It's not like there are a ton of places where you can market stuff for specific fetishes.

You didn't say if it actually bothered you or not, but why would it? It's not like Bambi is taking over the site from Stormr or something like that. There is literally no adverse effect and only a positive one.

Nah man, it doesn't bother me. I don't expect an artist to work for free but I won't pay outrageous prices for a poor quality product. I've seen enough of these "paid" artist's galleries/comics/videos for free on various sites that I know it doesn't speak to me.

Most of the people that are interested in actual content have gone to exhentai.org and other sites so they can actually see pornographic fetish content. I'm just sad that this site has just become constant posts to "advertise" new fetish content that falls flat, again, in my eyes.

But hey, you wanna pay the extra cash for some "story" with your porn? You wanna pay a week's worth of groceries to watch some woman hammer out some terrible lines while covertly tearing clothes/acing like a child/using a pump you can see to inflate breasts? You wanna do that, go ahead, but I'm sure as shit going to keep voicing my opinion.

[fredzor]

What is the problem, though?

You say you're sad seeing nothing but ads on the board, but isn't that because A.) there's not much original content and B.) it's filled with lurkers and inactives?

There honestly aren't many ads there's just not much of anything else either. Would you rather have exhentai go offline so more people would be forced to post or what?

How is paying the going rate of roughly 1 dollar per minute worth of clip equating to spending a weeks worth in groceries?

I get what you're saying about the quality of some of the clips and how it's not for you, but honestly, how does any of that have anything to do with this thread? Would you like to request that Maxgrowth or others stop advertising their work, or what? Because I'm not even supporting his clips either but I sure as hell don't see a problem with the thread, it's certainly better than the normal 5 posts a week.

[Rei-Lin]

Dex~well then what is in your opinion of a quality product then? Hollywood effects from Critters 2? Toxic Avenger? Class of Nuke 'Em High? American Werewolf in London? I mean it's basically night and day the differences between Hollywood produced effects and the effects that people like Missa, TMC, Maxgrowth, can do. You want props? Sure, TMC has props. One Prop cost them $5,000. Okay so how many of that clip priced at $20 will it take to just recoup the loss on that one prop? A lot. And considering out of the thousands of members on this board only about 100 actually have or are willing to throw $20 at a clip, it'll take them months of trickling sales from curious people outside out neck of the woods to come close to breaking even let alone making a profit.

Also, the people that produce and advertise here on The Process are not professional make-up artists and special effects wizards. They're men and women who work in a porn industry so they do porn and are best known for starring in porn. All this transformation, transgender, body swapping, age regression shit is a distant 2nd place on their priority list for making them money. And that is the bottom line. They want to make money, so they branch out into new areas to see what people like or don't like.

Sometimes things go right and certain clips do really well, but talking to a few of these producers, more time and effort put into a clip does NOT mean they earn more profits from the sales. So if you could do one clip that blows everybody away and sell it for $20 but it only sells four copies or do five clips in half the time and sell them at a rapid pace for $14 each, which one do you think they'll go for?

I believe the golden age of tons of new process type videos and content is long gone at this point, at least anything free. A lot of producers don't make enough money to keep pushing their effects and the ones that do don't make enough profit to warrant it and a lot of artists have moved away to their own websites or paysites to try to make a living. I honestly think the only thing left that could give us a lot of what we want to see is CGI / 3D. There's still people out there that do amazing stuff; Gryf, GenYun, Skalla, Krusty, but it takes a lot of time and money to get them to a point where the time will allow them to make money as well as a quality product.

Sorry for the novel but again, looking for quality out there in the porno industry is just asking for disappointment these days. Outside of a few producers that I enjoy around here there really isn't that much being produced professionally. If you know people that are Dex, then please tells us about them so we might support them and help them make videos we'd all enjoy.

[Laughingman]

All I'll say on all this is that Maxgrowth has some great videos under their belt. They are the first people in the videos to try actual floating with their BE and it worked out great. They've been nothing but friendly and helpful on the site. I quite enjoy TMC's clips but where she has lately gone on to other fetishes or mixed fetishes with porn stars, Maxgrowth has kept BE a central theme and actually come up with some plots to go behind their videos, and good actors (Koa is great!) to act out those plots.

Do I have some reservations on the videos? Sure. Much like many of the BE producers these days, there's not much of a "sexy" element to the videos, with it mostly just being the expansion and the girl dealing with expansion. I know some of this is probably based on the actresses and what they'll go in for, but a line or two about feeling pretty good would not be disliked. The acting in some of his videos are a bit iffy, but that's more of a critique on the actresses than the producer.

Even still, I have several of his videos and enjoy them, even if the acting isn't always the best. I don't have a job right now as times have been tough, but I might throw some money his way when I get my life in order because I do enjoy what he does, and with a higher budget I could see him do more stuff.

Just because there's free content floating around out there doesn't mean it's good or that it will work out at all. Mondovideotron has been struggling to produce a single actual expansion video since it's conception, leaving us with only behind the scenes stuff and messages of failures. We'll probably never see any results from that, despite years of videos showing tests and ideas.

This doesn't sound like Bambi where it was a pay for everything or nothing service, and no one's coming in to take over the site. I like to be notified of BE when it comes out, and I'd prefer to have more high budget videos if possible only so that we can have high budget acting out of it. The props and the like aren't really going to improve much more from what we have, but the acting side is where BE videos need their help. TMC, as much as I enjoy them, aren't really going for plot in most of their videos. Maxgrowth has much more in terms of plot and story development, and I'd love to see what they could do with a little more cash.

[mofoapoo]

Originally Posted by fredzor

It only benefits the artists? Oh, because we all expect them to produce content for free right?

I said no such thing. But don't act like they are doing this site a favor. And let's face it, growth comics are extremely sub par, especially in their writing. There are good ones, but 1 out of every 15 comics being good is not a good standard, and this site is part of that problem.

I'm glad they advertise here. If they make more of a profit there is a larger chance we see more content, it's already happened. It's not like there are a ton of places where you can market stuff for specific fetishes.

Yes, more profits to keep making sub par work. Some productions literally just make the same comic over and over again, with different named characters that look the same if the same artist drew it, and with extremely atrocious and unbelievable dialog. I don't want to use examples, but there are obvious examples.

it's not so much that it negatively impacts the site, but that the site is advertising subpar work, where literally a few changes in text and dialog could make an artists work infinitely better and deeper. Not just "girl gets big, wants to have sex, makes guy big, they have sex" then part 2 is "more of part one with more random people we know nothing about".

As oppose to amazing comics that flush out character depth, don't quickly rush to mindless sex, make the characters more human, and have more than 10 words per page. Sure, too many words can ruin a comic as well. but too little is just as bad, and most of the stuff advertised on this site goes along that standard.

Growth fetish is a starved corner of the internet, and we accept a lot of shallow garbage.

[Katt]

Originally Posted by Dex164

Nah man, it doesn't bother me. I don't expect an artist to work for free but I won't pay outrageous prices for a poor quality product. I've seen enough of these "paid" artist's galleries/comics/videos for free on various sites that I know it doesn't speak to me.

Most of the people that are interested in actual content have gone to exhentai.org and other sites so they can actually see pornographic fetish content. I'm just sad that this site has just become constant posts to "advertise" new fetish content that falls flat, again, in my eyes.

But hey, you wanna pay the extra cash for some "story" with your porn? You wanna pay a week's worth of groceries to watch some woman hammer out some terrible lines while covertly tearing clothes/acing like a child/using a pump you can see to inflate breasts? You wanna do that, go ahead, but I'm sure as shit going to keep voicing my opinion.

Wholeheartedly agree. I hate this 'pay now, content later' BS. Usually I get screwed over.

[fredzor]

Originally Posted by mofoapoo

I said no such thing. But don't act like they are doing this site a favor. And let's face it, growth comics are extremely sub par, especially in their writing. There are good ones, but 1 out of every 15 comics being good is not a good standard, and this site is part of that problem.



Yes, more profits to keep making sub par work. Some productions literally just make the same comic over and over again, with different named characters that look the same if the same artist drew it, and with extremely atrocious and unbelievable dialog. I don't want to use examples, but there are obvious examples.

it's not so much that it negatively impacts the site, but that the site is advertising subpar work, where literally a few changes in text and dialog could make an artists work infinitely better and deeper. Not just "girl gets big, wants to have sex, makes guy big, they have sex" then part 2 is "more of part one with more random people we know nothing about".

As oppose to amazing comics that flush out character depth, don't quickly rush to mindless sex, make the characters more human, and have more than 10 words per page. Sure, too many words can ruin a comic as well. but too little is just as bad, and most of the stuff advertised on this site goes along that standard.

Growth fetish is a starved corner of the internet, and we accept a lot of shallow garbage.

Well, comics and morphs haven't quite done it for me in years. What's the point when our fetish is usually so specific that it's either not covered properly or they just they just throw a bunch of shit at the wall and hope it sticks?

Movies and CG are really the only things I'm interested in at this point, and even then I've resolved to commissioning things to get what I actually want.

Not many people are going to come along and be interested in making a spank comic as intricate as you're wanting. If you want it to be professional you're probably going to have to front some money so you have actual input. Otherwise you're asking someone to put a ton of time and effort into something with limited return.

Besides, this thread was created because of MaxGrowth who produces video content, and I thought you were talking about 11fifty studios and others who were asking for money to complete their projects. Plus there are a couple models who also advertise their works here. It's these people I don't see a problem with posting here. Like I said, I believe it's more of a boon than not.

If you want a specific type of comic made why don't you be the one who goes on the initiative then? Find an artist, work something out, maybe you can crowdsource your own commission. I've seen it done for that borisalien(or whatever his name is) guy before.

To reiterate, though. If you don't want to donate money or if you think it's a scam than don't. I'm not donating to MaxGrowth and I'd advise you to not donate either if you aren't a fan of his work. Just don't see what the big deal is.

[mofoapoo]

It isn't that nothing appeals to me. The ideas are usually there.

but I'm basically criticizing the plots/dialog/story telling.

In that it's rarely there.

Shrink has a lot more content, and maybe that's why you get a lot better stuff. But most of what's advertised here falls into that category. Especially with comics. Videos have their own issues to deal with, and I don't expect anymore from videos other than straight to the point type of video.

[tea]

Originally Posted by Dex164

I'm surprised someone else on this site is singing my tune, especially you. I go through the archives and this place used to be a spot to share content. Now it's one gigantic ad for paid content with video artists like Missax and the flavor of the month coupled with graphic artists under the banner of zzz comics or dreamtales holding you all by your diminishing ball sacks and even greater diminishing wallets for what amounts to, in my eyes, a mediocre and overpriced product.

lol

[LK]

Quite the discussion!

I want to summarize my view as succinctly as possible: a good creative does not look at his knife and wish for a gun because it will allow him to 'better' kill people. A good creative will look at his knife, fashion a Macguyver-esque nuclear missile out of available materials, then sip their cocktail from a distance as all are laid to waste.

And that's just the non-business interpretation. By the way, did you know successful businesses are as much about competent management as they are about resources and an idea?

I am fond of hyperbole.