SheWolf crowd funded project

[Rei-Lin]

Well still, the basic idea remains the same: finding somebody that is willing to do the effect work while being associated with the "porn" industry. That's the main hurdle to get over, no matter how much money you throw at somebody, they're not going to risk their career in the field of special effects make-up for a cool as hell werewolf transformation once they find out it's basically a bunch of fetish lovers dying to see a naked woman become a monster on screen. Have you seen American Werewolf in London XXX? It's terrible and they had a budget for a Werewolf film, even a porno version of it, and it still had no effects worth a shit.

Even if we have somebody to head the project and even if we try to make it in such a way that it's not considered "porno" material, I think the cost itself would also be a major problem. I hate being so negative with this, because I'd love to see the equivalent of American Werewolf in London or The Howling but with a woman instead, but unless we could find a really good Rick Baker type person that wants to knock our socks off with his prosthetic work for us, I just can't see how we'd be able to fund something so ambitious.

I would think we could get something like this done faster and easier by doing it in CG like Gryf does. He did a woman transforming into a dolphin in less than a week. I'd rather fund buying the programs to pull off his level of detail for a talented person like GenYun, Skalla or Krusty to produce amazing work that looks more than good enough for all of us. If any of you have been following the work Girlfriends 4 Ever, then you could see how CG could be a definite replacement for live action transformations. Sure Girlfriends 4 Ever is Futanari, but the look of the thing is just amazing.

I could be wrong of course, but I think it's something to think about.

[Obsidian Reaver]

Originally Posted by Rei-Lin

I would think we could get something like this done faster and easier by doing it in CG like Gryf does. He did a woman transforming into a dolphin in less than a week. I'd rather fund buying the programs to pull off his level of detail for a talented person like GenYun, Skalla or Krusty to produce amazing work that looks more than good enough for all of us. If any of you have been following the work Girlfriends 4 Ever, then you could see how CG could be a definite replacement for live action transformations. Sure Girlfriends 4 Ever is Futanari, but the look of the thing is just amazing.

I could be wrong of course, but I think it's something to think about.

This, 100%.

Gryf's dolphin tf animation is hands down my favorite vid. The man is an animation genius, and I have no doubt with enough time and money, he could produce something 40x better than anything live-action. Don't get me wrong, live-action is great, but with animation, you're not quite as limited in terms of reality (special effects and props can only do so much), with the whole process and finished product far more believable-looking and smooth.

Plus, as has been pointed out, animation completely does away with the issue of someone not wanting to work inside the porn industry, and is signifcantly less expensive than live-action.

So, yeah, I second Rei-Lin's suggestion. It's both more practical and cost effective while delivering a quality return.

[The Governor]

Originally Posted by KrustyTheSailor

I really didn't want to get involved in this, but here I am.

Morwalugi, this thread is for discussion. No one is talking about trying to "sell a script". This thing has no form yet.

If you don't care to be involved, please don't post on this thread.


In fact, I'd appreciate if a moderator would just remove your two posts.

Trying to be fair here. He is being cynical, not really meaning to flame. His doubts in the ability for the TF community to come together need to be allowed to be posted. If just so the community can prove them wrong.

[morwalugi]

Originally Posted by KrustyTheSailor

Regardless I think one or a few people should take the lead. I think it needs a clear direction.

That will occur when someone is willing to take the legal responsibility
for making sure the bills get paid.The producer?

[KrustyTheSailor]

Agreed. There needs to be a producer here.

It's amazing that this has already descended into debate when two fundamental questions still need answering:
1) what do we want (we need a story/script/treatment).
2) how much will it cost (based on answer to 1)

Someone needs to step up and answer #1, in a Producer role, or we at least answer #1 as a group and then choose the Producer(s).

Absolutely no point in debating money until that's answered.

Democracy is useful at this point. Put out a call for ideas and then vote.
Once an idea is hatched, then get commitments for money, and the budget will go from there.

[Rei-Lin]

I vote for you Krusty! You just take our money and do a CG American Werewolf in London clip with your awesome CG talent! I'm serious, find out what programs Gryf uses (I think he said what he used in his WereSnake Transformation post), how much those programs will cost, set up an idea of how much you'd need to make versus the time you think it'll take to create using said software, and go from there. Only you know how much your time and effort is worth to you, so give us some real numbers.

I'm clueless at to the nature of the programs used to create the CG effects that Gryf uses, and in fact, I would lose to throw money at Gryf himself and have him create our wildest dreams of transformation clips, but I've never seen him answer any questions regarding being paid to do work for the community, so I don't think he'd ever be on board. I just don't see the point in trying to do any of this in live action, the cost is prohibitive ($50k+) and none of us know any real make up artists or prop makers in the industry that would be interested in make a low budget 3 to 4 minute video clip of a hot babe turning into a Werewolf.

By all means if people have connections or know people that do, I really think we should start there, with the talks of support "IF" we can raise the money. I don't think the best idea is to start out with a good chunk of money for a project without knowing up front that it will ever have the support. We don't need a story yet, we don't need a script, we need somebody that can hear "Female Werewolf" and go "I'm in!". That's just my opinion anyway.

[Drachen]

Originally Posted by KrustyTheSailor

Democracy is useful at this point. Put out a call for ideas and then vote.

No, it is not. One of my primary jobs is to deliver software products. When building them, every stakeholder has an opinion. A project manager is needed to cut through the mess of ideas and desires and keep the train running smoothly down the right track. A democracy is the best way to get "muddled mess" and having no project owner/manager is a great way to never deliver anything. Without it, the best ideas in the world are just wishes.

[KrustyTheSailor]

Accept that no one's s stakeholder until the money is committed.

So one still needs to come up with an idea.

[KrustyTheSailor]

Originally Posted by Rei-Lin

I vote for you Krusty! You just take our money and do a CG American Werewolf in London clip with your awesome CG talent! I'm serious, find out what programs Gryf uses (I think he said what he used in his WereSnake Transformation post), how much those programs will cost, set up an idea of how much you'd need to make versus the time you think it'll take to create using said software, and go from there. Only you know how much your time and effort is worth to you, so give us some real numbers.

I'm clueless at to the nature of the programs used to create the CG effects that Gryf uses, and in fact, I would lose to throw money at Gryf himself and have him create our wildest dreams of transformation clips, but I've never seen him answer any questions regarding being paid to do work for the community, so I don't think he'd ever be on board. I just don't see the point in trying to do any of this in live action, the cost is prohibitive ($50k+) and none of us know any real make up artists or prop makers in the industry that would be interested in make a low budget 3 to 4 minute video clip of a hot babe turning into a Werewolf.

By all means if people have connections or know people that do, I really think we should start there, with the talks of support "IF" we can raise the money. I don't think the best idea is to start out with a good chunk of money for a project without knowing up front that it will ever have the support. We don't need a story yet, we don't need a script, we need somebody that can hear "Female Werewolf" and go "I'm in!". That's just my opinion anyway.

That almost sounded sarcastic.

Thanks for the nomination but I don't have time, and i can't commit to anything where there's money involved. I'm just too busy with my own stuff

Regardless of what I might or might not be working on, the more content out there the better.

[KrustyTheSailor]

I guess in the interest of saving time, more debate, and possible real money, I should announce that I am working on something.

[Rei-Lin]

No I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Sorry if it sounded like that. But your work, looking at it logically, would be the 2nd choice after Gryf doing something like this in CG. And I know you might be busy with your own stuff, but isn't something like this something you'd want to be a part of anyway? I mean if you're into Werewolf Transformations as much as any of the rest of us, then I think you'd be on board to pause any other projects to make yourself some extra cash doing something like this.

Unless other things in real life is more what you're talking about, then I'd tell them to screw off and make some money doing this anyway! ^_^ And by "make some money" here, I'm thinking the whole project would have to be in the $7,000~$10,000 range to even make it worth a shit in the long run, especially if you've got to spend thousands just on the updated CG programs to do the work with. But if you've got your reasons, you've got your reasons.

After Gryf and Krusty, I'm thinking GenYun would be the next CG person to turn to with a project like this. And after him, probably DanielSan. But that's just what I'd go to if the project was to go all CG of course.

[thatnightwolf]

I work in the film industry and I know a lot of make-up FX artists. I must say that FX artists are a bit more liberal than you are given them credit for. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find one or more artists that would be more than happy to create what is needed to pull off a transformation sequence. The fact that it would essentially be a fetish video is not the thing that turns off FX artists, it's the pay/schedule. Most fetish videos and porn films get turned out by small budgets and very quick schedules. They don't have the time