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Unread 09-03-2007   #13
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Thanks again. I've learned to ignore Shadow cause I think the world would end if he was polite. Next time I do a B.E. I'll have a before shot m'kay.
Oh, so you ignore me when I speak my mind, but you let Wolfman Al do whatever the hell he wants?


What the hell man, What the bloody hell?
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Unread 09-03-2007   #14
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Oh, so you ignore me when I speak my mind, but you let Wolfman Al do whatever the hell he wants?


What the hell man, What the bloody hell?
No, I'm taking your ... non-existing feedback and ignoring the rudeness that doesn't belong (the whole post). At least Wolfman Al came up with a reason I fail XD
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Unread 09-03-2007   #15
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No, I'm taking your ... non-existing feedback and ignoring the rudeness that doesn't belong (the whole post). At least Wolfman Al came up with a reason I fail XD
Doesn?t change the fact that you are a failure and that you can?t draw for shit (Goodriddance boy, If you wan?t to draw porn you should know at least the basics of anatomy!). So leave my man Shadow alone.
To answer your question what is wrong with it. To make it short, everything. Your proportions are totally off, just look at those legs! Learn the basics of anatomy and practice a few years, then you may come back here. A sure sign that somebody cant draw is that he uses this crappy sonic style. People think this style is totally simple so every hack uses it instead of really learning how to draw.
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Unread 09-03-2007   #16
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O NO! DUCK FOR COVER WOLFMAN HAS BEEN UNLEASHED! ALERT THE ARMY, NAVY AND COAST GUARD! CODE RED CODE RED!

You know, how can you judge anatomy with those boobs in the way? Your only judging by the legs. Have you ever pondered that maybe not everyone likes legs the size of tree stumps? I'd admit the legs were rushed cause that not the point of the picture and its only like 10% of the whole drawing.

That was simply uncalled for. Theres one thing to comment but to be a jackass about it is simply uncalled for. You sir fail much more then I do.
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O NO! DUCK FOR COVER WOLFMAN HAS BEEN UNLEASHED! ALERT THE ARMY, NAVY AND COAST GUARD! CODE RED CODE RED!

You know, how can you judge anatomy with those boobs in the way? Your only judging by the legs. Have you ever pondered that maybe not everyone likes legs the size of tree stumps? I'd admit the legs were rushed cause that not the point of the picture and its only like 10% of the whole drawing.

That was simply uncalled for. Theres one thing to comment but to be a jackass about it is simply uncalled for. You sir fail much more then I do.
You better shut up kid and listen when an adult speaks.
Its not only the legs, I took them as an example. The hands are also fucked up but somebody mentioned that allready. The head looks funky too. And since legs, hands and head are (as you said) all that you see of her anatomy and all of this is fucked up, her whole anatomy is fucked up.
Now back to the playground with you.
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Unread 09-03-2007   #18
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SEE! If you said that in a non-jackass way then it would have been totally cool. I already know about hands. That is seriously the one thing I suck most at. I'm working on it. When I was starting out I just used blocks as hand so I'm still practicing that. Her head is a bit funky I guess. I kinda like it but I'll work on that.

My god, your the only one who gave the most feedback and I thank you very much but damn!
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WWWAAHHHH!!!! stop the violence X3

Anyway about what i said on the hips, one side of her is rounded and fine but the other side is like... really straight and lacking that womanly shape... no the hips don't have to be really wide and huge but try to make them more symmetrical. Yea... the whole pic in general is flawed but those flaws are fixed with lots of time and lots of practice.

And it would be nice if wolfman was a little more kind with the criticism >_> its hard bashing like that which discourages people from trying to improve themselfs.
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When you say flawed can you explain again? Flawed as in the whole thing is bad or just a lot of minor mistakes that I can't see. I need to know these things if I want to get better? For me the legs and hands are the only thing I see wrong, otherwise it much better then most of my other drawing T_T
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When you say flawed can you explain again? Flawed as in the whole thing is bad or just a lot of minor mistakes that I can't see. I need to know these things if I want to get better? For me the legs and hands are the only thing I see wrong, otherwise it much better then most of my other drawing T_T
O_o..... i... kinda don't wanna go into deep detail but.....


1. The eyes aren't that great... the only thing that tells me those are eyes is the pupil iris spot... you need to define the shape more.

2. the breasts aren't that great, they kinda look like they're pasted there like a sticker... i say that because they look like there on top of where the shirt is instead of coming out from underneath when she lifts them.

3. The shape of the head is really bad >_>, it looks like you either drew a "V" toget the bottom half of the head and then started drawing the hair over it to take care of the upper half of the head or started with the hair on the top of the head and then drew the jaw line after which makes it look kinda bad and misshaped.

4. The tail looks stiff and... untail like. it really looks more like a "S" streak
behind her.

5. The nose doesn't really look like a nose. Sure in manga and anime they have really simplified noses but... they still look like a nose... your nose really looks like a slightly curved line going down the middle :/

6. The Hair itself looks kinda bad.... i really just recommend practicing by drawing other hair style you like.

7. The cat ears on top don't look so well either. They look like there just... sitting there... as in not connected to anything. study real cat ears or anime stylized ears ( most likely the ones that look the cutest or collest to you :P)

8. The line art is really wonky. The lines aren't smooth at all. Theres alot of bumps in the lines. Did you draw this pic with just the line tool O_o because thats the impression that im getting. If your drawing in mspaint then i recommend learning how to use the curve tool. It really helps ^^.

9. The coloring is just really horrible :/. Mostly cuz there isn't enough contrast between the highlights, shadow and base color of the character. Also where you decided to try to put the different shades. it just looks really flat :/


ive already pointed the hips and hands.... in general you need to improve your anatomy but that just comes with practice as well


i hope that helps :/

http://www.howtodrawmanga.com/tutorial.html this is a nifty tutorial for beginnners.... dont follow any tutorial word for word and example for example... its best to just get ideas from it instead of following it all to the line.

its also the first tutorial i used ^^
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Unread 09-03-2007   #22
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1. That makes no sense.

2. New pose so it guess it needs work. This much helped ^^

3. But thats how I always draw her and people like it just like that =(. She has a lot of hair so it suppose to be wild and cover part of her head. It would look funky if I showed the sides of her head.

4. Well It suppose to be. It's like she's happy with a curve. Unless cat tails don't stiffing up?

5. Okay, I'll agree with you there but I don't like to mess with noses. Plus I rarely do straight pic so this was also new.

6. Okay, I'll stick with this.

7. Nope, I admit I did mess up here. If you look at my other Roxy pic her ears are a lot better.

8. I JUST began using the Pen Tool to line over my pencil lines. I do need more with that. I'm still experimenting with Brush or Pencil

9. THIS IS ONE THING I WILL NOT CHANGE! I just used Multiply at 10% so that may not be dark enough so thats my bad.
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Usually, I'm right in there with Shadow. But as you show a desire to fix it, some suggestions I'd go with are mostly going to echo Kojiro's.

First, you're quite brave, and taking things mostly in good stride, before I get into some suggestions. :P

Chibi and 'normal' anime don't mix terribly well. It seems like you are trying to incorporated both ( The breasts actually existing as more than lumps, and her pose hints you're going for more a realistic anime flair, whereas the disproportionately large head, and pencil thin limbs imply chibi.)

So, once you decide the form you are going for, do some reasearch. I honestly can't suggets much for good chibi, I learned msot of mine from Tenchi and Slayers. For the more realistic feel I started myself with Final fantasy 7, Angel Sanctuary, Para-Kiss, Rayearth, and some othe rassorted games. The important part is finding the style you are most comfortable with, and making it your own.

Also, like the Screwy Neko suggested, and I know it sucks to hear this because my Art teachers told me it all through high school, look at real subjects. Study how limbs attach and look. I'd recommend Blind Countour drawings to start with as those teach you to focus on the actual shapes, even if they look like crap. Once you're focusing on the shapes, cut out some actress pictures form a magazine and just draw their bodies--this will allow you to practice on the forms--Anime is actually very similar to realism, the only differences are you are allowed to be more crative with hair and facial expressions.

Finally, Shading and clothing. I would suggest again looking at how a real woman's breasts look for the pose you wish to emulate, because drawing things bigger isn't hard once you get the gist of how they sit and look. Again, this also applies for how shadows work.

But, good luck, and I hope you do manage to imrpove!
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Thanks Shaliel. You said that while putting a grin on my face. Truthfully I'm aiming for a mix of anime and cartoons (hence the head being bigger then it should) Ya, the arms are thin but that is one thing with the hands and eyes that I'm working on. right now I like my current style except maybe longer and better arms and legs. I'm pretty comfortable with this piece of art except a few minor thing like arms once again.

Thank you for the advice again. I'm not so hot on the idea of drawing real people but I'm pretty cool looking at other drawing and trying to study it and see if I can do it in my style. Not everything translates well but if you saw my art from 6 months ago I have gotten better but I would love to be better ^_^
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